#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915195]I don't see where not all men aren't psychotic murders isn't applicable in this argument. The rest are just straw men that you're throwing out.[/QUOTE] you literally just assumed that there were enough false rape claims yearly to significantly skew results of a UN study you're an idiot

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44915196]privilege[/QUOTE] All right, I'm out. I didn't live off food stamps and bust ass for sixteen years just to have a decent home for some kid on his parents internet to whine to me about privileges. Grow up.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915207]There's literally 1 guy that said that rape doesn't happen, the main counter argument is that he was already a psychopath, if the misogyny that's prevalent in today's society reinforced his urges, that's debatable. Social factors obviously didn't play a major part in this.[/QUOTE] It's hardly debatable if you actually look at anything he said, he took the unspoken ideals of society and brought them to an extreme It's a catalyst [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Teracotta;44915222]All right, I'm out. I didn't live off food stamps and bust ass for sixteen years just to have a decent home for some kid on his parents internet to whine to me about privileges. Grow up.[/QUOTE] You don't understand what privilege is if you're angry about that

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915231]It's hardly debatable if you actually look at anything he said, he took the unspoken ideals of society and brought them to an extreme It's a catalyst[/QUOTE] In this case, however, the catalyst is harmless and common among all genders until mental instability allows someone to take it to the extreme that Elliot did.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE] I wish I could still buy titles for other people. Are you seriously saying that a significant portion of reported rapes are all false?

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915231]It's hardly debatable if you actually look at anything he said, he took the unspoken ideals of society and brought them to an extreme It's a catalyst [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] You don't understand what privilege is if you're angry about that[/QUOTE] He would've found justification for his urges elsewhere, it really doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915243]In this case, however, the catalyst is harmless and common among all genders until mental instability allows someone to take it to the extreme that Elliot did.[/QUOTE] rape still happens. it's not fucking harmless. it's common among both genders but it doesn't get taken to the point of [I]rape and murder[/I] when women don't like that a guy won't fuck them

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915252]rape still happens. it's not fucking harmless.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you can't honestly believe that rape is condoned or considered OK by anyone who is sane. It's a crime, and it's treated as such, and rapists are vilified. I don't see what you want to change.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915263]Yes, but you can't honestly believe that rape is condoned or considered OK by anyone who is sane. It's a crime, and it's treated as such, and rapists are vilified. I don't see what you want to change.[/QUOTE] if rape was vilified it wouldn't happen over 250,000 times a year and people would be taught consent in schools and people wouldn't blame rape victims just as often as the rapists themselves

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE] You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for this post

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915274]if rape was vilified it wouldn't happen over 250,000 times a year and people would be taught consent in schools and people wouldn't blame rape victims just as often as the rapists themselves[/QUOTE] Again, murder is vilified, but it still happens more often than rape.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915263]Yes, but you can't honestly believe that rape is condoned or considered OK by anyone who is sane. It's a crime, and it's treated as such, and rapists are vilified. I don't see what you want to change.[/QUOTE] "A rape victim is especially stigmatized in cultures with strong customs and taboos regarding sex and sexuality. For example, society may view a rape victim (especially one who was previously a virgin) as "damaged". Victims in these cultures may suffer isolation, be disowned by friends and family, be prohibited from marrying, be divorced if already married, or even killed." that wouldn't happen if women weren't viewed as products in many societies. even if you don't adhere to that you can't deny that enough people do to make this a legitimate fear that women have

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915299]"A rape victim is especially stigmatized in cultures with strong customs and taboos regarding sex and sexuality. For example, society may view a rape victim (especially one who was previously a virgin) as "damaged". Victims in these cultures may suffer isolation, be disowned by friends and family, be prohibited from marrying, be divorced if already married, or even killed." that wouldn't happen if women weren't viewed as products in many societies. even if you don't adhere to that you can't deny that enough people do to make this a legitimate fear that women have[/QUOTE] Those kinds of things happen in the same countries where women can't drive. You can't honestly claim that the backwards views of certain cultures are representative of the views of the majority of western males, as you claim.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915286]Again, murder is vilified, but it still happens more often than rape.[/QUOTE] where's your statistic on this, professor

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44915106]Why must my rights be advocated by people that don't understand my situation? Feminism exists because women need people that understand what hardships they go through to say what needs changing. The same should be true with men.[/QUOTE] The problem is that MRA groups don't really do much for men. I'm sure there is a tiny minority of people who would call themselves MRA's who actually do care about issues affecting men but the core driving force of it and the majority of it's members is merely as a reactionary anti-feminist, anti-"politically correct" movement who feels that society has become too liberalized. They aren't really advocating for your rights so much as trying to make a political statement against what they see is ideological foes. Not to mention the fact that the core goal of feminism (gender equality between men and women) covers most of the bases any "real" MRA movement would cover as well.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44915317]The problem is that MRA groups don't really do much for men. I'm sure there is a tiny minority of people who would call themselves MRA's who actually do care about issues affecting men but the core driving force of it and the majority of it's members is merely as a reactionary anti-feminist, anti-"politically correct" movement who feels that society has become too liberalized. They aren't really advocating for your rights so much as trying to make a political statement against what they see is ideological foes. Not to mention the fact that the core goal of feminism (gender equality between men and women) covers most of the bases any "real" MRA movement would cover as well.[/QUOTE] I agree with this but I don't buy the "Men's issues will be fixed when Women's issues are dealt with"

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44915275]You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for this post[/QUOTE] No I'm just not gullible.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915309]Those kinds of things happen in the same countries where women can't drive. You can't honestly claim that the backwards views of certain cultures are representative of the views of the majority of western males, as you claim.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ[/media] A major US news organization reporting on how terrible it is that two good young men have been convicted of rape. Those poor, poor boys, now their lives are ruined.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915341]No I'm just not gullible.[/QUOTE] yeah alright you're fucking ridiculous and your opinion is worthless

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915341]No I'm just not gullible.[/QUOTE] Do you have any proof that a significant portion of reported rapes are false? Because it's really somewhere near [url=http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/myths-of-the-manosphere-lying-about-women]5%[/url]. But please, provide your sources.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915316]where's your statistic on this, professor[/QUOTE] In 2013 in the US, the intentional homicide rate in the US was 4.8 per 100,000 people. The latest year I can find for rape without looking too hard was 2003, where there were .5 rapes per 1000.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915369]In 2013 in the US, the intentional homicide rate in the US was 4.8 per 100,000 people. The latest year I can find for rape without looking too hard was 2003, where there were .5 rapes per 1000.[/QUOTE] you realize .5 per 1,000 is a hell of a lot more than 5 per 100,000 like if you do the conversions that's 50 per 100,000, over five times the homocide rate

I don't think improving mental aid in the country would have helped this guy. He obviously never saw anything wrong about himself, so why should he go and seek help? In the end, the parents should have acted earlier. But you really can't change that through legislation, as you cannot supervise and control every decision people make.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915369]In 2013 in the US, the intentional homicide rate in the US was 4.8 per 100,000 people. The latest year I can find for rape without looking too hard was 2003, where there were .5 rapes per 1000.[/QUOTE] 4.8 per 100,000 for murders .5 per 1000 for rapes so to equalize them, multiply the second by 100 50 per 100,000 for rapes good going sherlock you disproved your own claim

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;44915390]I don't think improving mental aid in the country would have helped this guy. He obviously never saw anything wrong about himself, so why should he go and seek help? In the end, the parents should have acted earlier. But you really can't change that through legislation, as you cannot supervise and control the decisions people make.[/QUOTE] He never saw anything wrong with himself because that's what he was taught.

The amount of false rapes is really small. I really cannot believe that there's bigger percentage of Men that believe rape of women is justified in developed societies, does anyone have a statistic for this?

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915369]In 2013 in the US, the intentional homicide rate in the US was 4.8 per 100,000 people. The latest year I can find for rape without looking too hard was 2003, where there were .5 rapes per 1000.[/QUOTE] uhhhhh I don't think you've done your math here friend...

Regardless, to make the claim that rape is supported by the average person is fucking insane and baseless.

What does this have to do with rape anyways? The guy didn't rape anyone.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915422]Regardless, to make the claim that rape is supported by the average person is fucking insane and baseless.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;MvUdyNko8LQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ[/video] no one will say they support rape in a direct poll, but situations like this are pretty illuminating of culture at large, in the US at least