#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Untouch;44915429]What does this have to do with rape anyways? The guy didn't rape anyone.[/QUOTE] Yeah now that I think about it, he didn't actually want to rape anyone, he thought that he was entitled to sex because he was a "nice guy". He wouldn't have raped them.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915439][video=youtube;MvUdyNko8LQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ[/video] no one will say they support rape in a direct poll, but situations like this are pretty illuminating of culture at large, in the US at least[/QUOTE] Wow, a news organisation that is known for being one of the worst in the western world making a stupid report that almost everyone disagrees with and criticizes. I suppose that when Fox News says that Obama should be impeached, that means that everyone agrees with them too, right?

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915454]Wow, a news organisation that is known for being one of the worst in the western world making a stupid report that almost everyone disagrees with and criticizes. I suppose that when Fox News says that Obama should be impeached, that means that everyone agrees with them too, right?[/QUOTE] [url]http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/14/2777431/maryville-missouri-rape/[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/serena-williams-steubenville-rape-victim_n_3462519.html[/url] [url]http://www.mommyish.com/2013/03/17/steubenville-victim-blamin/[/url]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44915469]not to mention the types of rape, most people won't support the "IM GOING TO FUCK YOU AT KNIFEPOINT" but silently support the "hey you're drunk lets fuck because you can't really say no"[/QUOTE] How do you know most people support this?

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915479]How do you know most people support this?[/QUOTE] it happens often enough to show that people aren't actively [I]dis[/I]couraging it

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915473][url]http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/14/2777431/maryville-missouri-rape/[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/serena-williams-steubenville-rape-victim_n_3462519.html[/url] [url]http://www.mommyish.com/2013/03/17/steubenville-victim-blamin/[/url][/QUOTE] This is the same as reading R9K and claiming that the majority of men believe those same things. A few incidents of people being stupid, all of which were HEAVILY criticized by the public, don't equate to what the majority of people believe. In fact, the response to the critics of the Steubenville victims can easily be used to disprove the idea that the majority believes those things, because of the vast number of people who vilified those people for their actions.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915491]it happens often enough to show that people aren't actively [I]dis[/I]couraging it[/QUOTE] I would think if you asked most people "Is it okay to have sex with a girl/guy if she's/he's not aware of his/her actions?", they would say no, again you can't really do anything with this unless we have a statistic.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915422]Regardless, to make the claim that rape is supported by the average person is fucking insane and baseless.[/QUOTE] People don't have to think "rape is good" to, in small and subtle ways, play a part in a larger culture which assuages the guilt of rapists. Someone who, of course, thinks rape is bad but who always has to chime in with "well maybe the woman shouldn't have dressed like that/gotten drunk/gone out alone at night" is playing a part in a culture which takes guilt away from rapists. Someone like the fucking trogs in this thread who are posting about false rape statistics are supporting a culture where rape victims need to feel afraid to go to the police for fear of being called a liar. Rapists (aka people who think rape is "ok") do exist (as the statistics you so graciously provided show) and I don't think it's an outlandish claim to suggest that these cultural attitudes that lots of people have and express (as some people have done, again, in this very thread) play a part in creating these rapists.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915274]if rape was vilified it wouldn't happen over 250,000 times a year and people would be taught consent in schools and people wouldn't blame rape victims just as often as the rapists themselves[/QUOTE] By your logic murder shouldn't happen in a much bigger scale.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44915550]By your logic murder shouldn't happen in a much bigger scale.[/QUOTE] it happens at one fifth the frequency of rape, we proved that a few posts up

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915532]People don't have to think "rape is good" to, in small and subtle ways, play a part in a larger culture which assuages the guilt of rapists. Someone who, of course, thinks rape is bad but who always has to chime in with "well maybe the woman shouldn't have dressed like that/gotten drunk/gone out alone at night" is playing a part in a culture which takes guilt away from rapists. Someone like the fucking trogs in this thread who are posting about false rape statistics are supporting a culture where rape victims need to feel afraid to go to the police for fear of being called a liar. Rapists (aka people who think rape is "ok") do exist (as the statistics you so graciously provided show) and I don't think it's an outlandish claim to suggest that these cultural attitudes that lots of people have and express (as some people have done, again, in this very thread) play a part in creating these rapists.[/QUOTE] Unless you provide some kind of survey/poll, you can't really claim that this is true. I do not believe that most people would blame the rape victim. Like literally, I have never met people like that

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915509]This is the same as reading R9K and claiming that the majority of men believe those same things. A few incidents of people being stupid, all of which were HEAVILY criticized by the public, don't equate to what the majority of people believe. In fact, the response to the critics of the Steubenville victims can easily be used to disprove the idea that the majority believes those things, because of the vast number of people who vilified those people for their actions.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ dude just give up. What do you have to prove by insisting that sexism and culture plays no part in anybody's acts of violence against women? What's your horse in this race? What makes the act of looking, with a critical eye, at our society such a terrifying prospect to you that you'd spend all day posting this shit, trying to convince people to close their fucking eyes and just ward away the "mentally ill" and "rapists" as lone psychopaths who sprang, fully formed, from the aether? Just sit down, dude.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44915560]really dont think you understand american rape culture (people here are really fucking stupid)[/QUOTE] Enlighten me then, poll/statistic?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44915317]The problem is that MRA groups don't really do much for men. I'm sure there is a tiny minority of people who would call themselves MRA's who actually do care about issues affecting men but the core driving force of it and the majority of it's members is merely as a reactionary anti-feminist, anti-"politically correct" movement who feels that society has become too liberalized. They aren't really advocating for your rights so much as trying to make a political statement against what they see is ideological foes. Not to mention the fact that the core goal of feminism (gender equality between men and women) covers most of the bases any "real" MRA movement would cover as well.[/QUOTE] Gender equality is impossible, men and women are different on a biological and on psychological level. They both have different needs and wants. Gender equality can only supply the middle ground, the other areas need women/men rights.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915556]Unless you provide some kind of survey/poll, you can't really claim that this is true. I do not believe that most people would blame the rape victim. Like literally, I have never met people like that[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9855937/One-in-12-say-rape-victims-to-blame-if-they-are-drunk-or-flirtatious.html[/url]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915558]Jesus Christ dude just give up. What do you have to prove by insisting that sexism and culture plays no part in anybody's acts of violence against women? What's your horse in this race? What makes the act of looking, with a critical eye, at our society such a terrifying prospect to you that you'd spend all day posting this shit, trying to convince people to close their fucking eyes and just ward away the "mentally ill" and "rapists" as lone psychopaths who sprang, fully formed, from the aether? Just sit down, dude.[/QUOTE] Because the people who treat this as a gender issue are doing more damage by completely ignoring the real problem that resulted in this shooting. Are the police that ignored this clearly mentally unstable individual going to be punished? Is there going to be more education for authorities in the future to prevent this from happening? No, because everyone on Twitter are intentionally taking attention away from the real issue here and placing it on a scapegoat. Same thing that's done when there's a school shooting and people blame guns or video games.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915586][url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9855937/One-in-12-say-rape-victims-to-blame-if-they-are-drunk-or-flirtatious.html[/url][/QUOTE] 1 in 12 = not majority but this is still sickening.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915454]Wow, a news organisation that is known for being one of the worst in the western world making a stupid report that almost everyone disagrees with and criticizes. I suppose that when Fox News says that Obama should be impeached, that means that everyone agrees with them too, right?[/QUOTE] You do realize that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News are the 3 most watched news channels in the US, right? MSNBC isn't involved in this, but 2 out of the 3 are. Also, this is relevant: [url=http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/11/12/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists/]people will gladly admit to rape as long as you don't directly call it rape[/url].

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915222]All right, I'm out. I didn't live off food stamps and bust ass for sixteen years just to have a decent home for some kid on his parents internet to whine to me about privileges. Grow up.[/QUOTE] Ohh sorry. Wrong answer. Thanks for playing! Come back next time when you are willing to listen to other opinions.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915592]Because the people who treat this as a gender issue are doing more damage by completely ignoring the real problem that resulted in this shooting. Are the police that ignored this clearly mentally unstable individual going to be punished? Is there going to be more education for authorities in the future to prevent this from happening? No, because everyone on Twitter are intentionally taking attention away from the real issue here and placing it on a scapegoat. Same thing that's done when there's a school shooting and people blame guns or video games.[/QUOTE] literally no one is saying that this is a gender issue alone if you actually read a single fucking post in this thread, you would know what the word "Catalyst" meant from fucking context clues alone

[QUOTE=Last or First;44915601]You do realize that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News are the 3 most watched news channels in the US, right? MSNBC isn't involved in this, but 2 out of the 3 are. Also, this is relevant: [url=http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/11/12/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists/]people will gladly admit to rape as long as you don't directly call it rape[/url].[/QUOTE] I can't find the actual survey ...

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44914432]His rampage was motivated by gender and is basically the extreme version of what happens to women every day.[/QUOTE] I am baffled at this post

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915616]literally no one is saying that this is a gender issue alone if you actually read a single fucking post in this thread, you would know what the word "Catalyst" meant from fucking context clues alone[/QUOTE] How about the entire point of this thread, the people on twitter.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915592]Because the people who treat this as a gender issue are doing more damage by completely ignoring the real problem that resulted in this shooting. Are the police that ignored this clearly mentally unstable individual going to be punished? Is there going to be more education for authorities in the future to prevent this from happening? No, because everyone on Twitter are intentionally taking attention away from the real issue here and placing it on a scapegoat. Same thing that's done when there's a school shooting and people blame guns or video games.[/QUOTE] Everyone in this thread that's supported improving how culture views women also says they support improving mental health care at the same time. Your side (aka you and teracotta as far as I can tell) is the only side saying they only want to focus on one thing.

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[QUOTE=Egevened;44915620]I am baffled at this post[/QUOTE] I am baffled at this post

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44915623]How about the entire point of this thread, the people on twitter.[/QUOTE] F- reading comprehension, professor, are you sure you should be teaching

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915598]1 in 12 = not majority but this is still sicking.[/QUOTE] It's a large enough number to indicate that there is a social origin to this. That number is far too high to just be an anomaly.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44915639]F- reading comprehension, professor, are you sure you should be teaching[/QUOTE] Not my fault you look past the people who are saying this is a gender issue alone and pretending they don't exist, which is the entire focus of this article.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915532] Someone who, of course, thinks rape is bad but who always has to chime in with "well maybe the woman shouldn't have dressed like that/gotten drunk/gone out alone at night" is playing a part in a culture which takes guilt away from rapists. [/QUOTE] Can you make the connection between this and other crimes? How about "Maybe he shouldn't been waving his diamond rings around"? I'm not saying it's the woman's fault, but just as you protect yourself from being robbed, you protect yourself agains rape.