#YesAllWomen: California rampage sparks Twitter response - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44915938]What's the difference if you do it right after or a month after? What's the difference if you're saying it to someone specific than to people at large? You say you're "sympathetic" to the rape victims but that's obviously not true seeing as how you're so concerned with diagnosing the ways in which you think they brought about their own rape and informing them of it.[/QUOTE] Then you're silly, that's all I can say. I'm sympathetic, and that's precisely the reason why I want to inform them of this (if they didn't realize it themselves), because I don't want it to happen to them again. They could blame society for them being raped, and that's part of the bigger problem. But if they were more cautious, they could've lowered their chances of being raped in this dangerous society.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915983]Then you're silly, that's all I can say. I'm sympathetic, and that's precisely the reason why I want to inform them of this (if they didn't realize it themselves), because I don't want it to happen to them again. They could blame society for them being raped, and that's part of the bigger problem. But if they were more cautious, they could've lowered their chances of being raped in this dangerous society.[/QUOTE] Sympathy isn't blaming the victim for their assault. You are too much of a coward to outright say it's their fault but the language you use (lower [B][I]their [/I][/B]chances of being raped as opposed to lowering rapes in a population overall) shows just how unsympathetic (to say nothing of ignorantly cruel) you really are.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44915942]Where did I even say this?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE]

Sympathy or empathy to victims of sexual assault means talking to them about it and assisting with them getting medical or legal help. It's not "Welp shouldn't have been a woman, you're fault idiot".

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44916016][/QUOTE] Please tell with explicit clarity where I implied that the mass majority of rape claims are false.

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44916028]Please tell with explicit clarity where I implied that the mass majority of rape claims are false.[/QUOTE] do you know what "significant" means in a statistical study like really no one said [B]vast* majority[/B] there's a HUGE difference between the two did you never take a single statistics class or like, look at a study before

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44916011]Sympathy isn't blaming the victim for their assault. You are too much of a coward to outright say it's their fault but the language you use (lower [B][I]their [/I][/B]chances of being raped as opposed to lowering rapes in a population overall) shows just how unsympathetic (to say nothing of ignorantly cruel) you really are.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that we shouldn't work on lowering our overall rape chances on a social scale. This is something he/she could've done to lower his/her chances, I'm not a coward and do not think that it's their fault.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916035] This is something he/she could've done to lower his/her chances[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916035]I'm not a coward and do not think that it's their fault.[/QUOTE] Mutually exclusive. "It's not their fault they were raped, it was their fault they weren't not raped."

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915983]Then you're silly, that's all I can say. I'm sympathetic, and that's precisely the reason why I want to inform them of this (if they didn't realize it themselves), because I don't want it to happen to them again. They could blame society for them being raped, and that's part of the bigger problem. But if they were more cautious, they could've lowered their chances of being raped in this dangerous society.[/QUOTE] Congratulations; you have successfully made a discussion about a rape a discussion about the victim's actions instead of a discussion about the rapist's actions. I mean I showed you the goddamn statistics. People use "she was flirting" "she was dressed a certain way" "she was where she shouldn't have been" to assuage the guilt of rapists. You said this: [QUOTE=Shreddinger;44915598]1 in 12 = not majority [B]but this is still sickening.[/B][/QUOTE] [I]But you are [B]encouraging[/B] the people who think that way by making a discussion about an act of rape into a discussion about [B]what the victim did wrong to bring about the rape[/B].[/I] You're, as they understand it, encouraging their worldview. Your words have consequences; they affect the way people think. So how about next time you hear about a rape you say "The rapist should not have raped that person" and then you [B]DON'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE?[/B] If someone wants to learn ways to keep themselves safe they can pursue that in the appropriate contexts, in courses and from help groups. They don't need to hear it from you in public because when you say this shit in public the fucking troglodytes who listen in understand it [I]differently[/I]. All you, as a random fucking guy, can do with your "advice" is to teach people to be afraid in a vague, indiscriminate way.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44916050]Mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] I really starting to think that you're just trying to be an asshole and covering it with feminism. I really don't see how is telling the rape victim about something she/he could've done to lower her chances of being rape is equivalent of blaming her for his/her rape. I don't get this twisted view of yours, perhaps if you could elaborate it a little bit more, I could understand.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44916033]do you know what "significant" means in a statistical study like really no one said [B]vast* majority[/B] there's a HUGE difference between the two did you never take a single statistics class or like, look at a study before[/QUOTE] So, basically, I never said anything like that and you're jumping to insult me.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44915866]You're making the common mistake of interpreting group differences as categorical rather than as overlapping distributions (the mean of one group is different from the mean of another). To put it simply: there's more differences between all men, and between all women, than there are differences between men and women.[/QUOTE] No, the way the brains are wired is just plain different. The way it connects, the way information is processed and so forth.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916073]I really starting to think that you're just trying to be an asshole and covering it with feminism. I really don't see how is telling the rape victim about something she/he could've done to lower her chances of being rape is equivalent of blaming her for his/her rape. I don't get this twisted view of your, perhaps if you could elaborate it a little bit more, I could understand.[/QUOTE] saying "if you do this you are less likely to get raped" to someone who has been raped is telling them "you would not have been raped if you did not do this" [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragekipz;44916084]No, the way the brains are wired is just plain different. The way it connects, the way information is processed and so forth.[/QUOTE] where's your study on that, mister rape jokes on his steam profile

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44916064]Congratulations; you have successfully made a discussion about a rape a discussion about the victim's actions instead of a discussion about the rapist's actions. I mean I showed you the goddamn statistics. People use "she was flirting" "she was dressed a certain way" "she was where she shouldn't have been" to assuage the guilt of rapists. You said this: [i]But you are [b]encouraging[/b] the people who think that way by making a discussion about an act of rape into a discussion about [b]what the victim did wrong to bring about the rape[/b].[/i] You're helping the one in twelve people who blame rape victims. You're supporting their worldview. Your words have consequences; they affect the way people think. So how about next time you hear about a rape you say "The rapist should not have raped that person" and then you [b]DON'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE?[/b] If someone wants to learn ways to keep themselves safe they can pursue that in the appropriate contexts, in courses and from help groups. They don't need to hear it from you in public because when you say this shit in public the fucking troglodytes who listen in understand it [i]differently[/i].[/QUOTE] I'm not supporting their world view, this suddenly turned from blaming the the rape victim for her/his rape to justifying closet rapists, I don't know why I even tried discussing this with you. I'm done talking to you.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916073]I really don't see how is telling the rape victim about something she/he could've done to lower her chances of being rape is equivalent of blaming her for his/her rape.[/QUOTE] Because whether someone decides to rape you or not is something you can't control — at all. By saying you can do something to make the chances of being raped higher/lower (which is, I repeat again, impossible), you're placing the onus of responsability on the victim. It's victim-blaming.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916073]I really starting to think that you're just trying to be an asshole and covering it with feminism. I really don't see how is telling the rape victim about something she/he could've done to lower her chances of being rape is equivalent of blaming her for his/her rape. I don't get this twisted view of yours, perhaps if you could elaborate it a little bit more, I could understand.[/QUOTE] [b]You're not a post-trauma counselor. You're not a self-defense course teacher. [/b] Rape victims don't need your advice. If they want advice they have better places to get it than from some random fucking guy on the internet. Keep that shit to yourself.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;44913743]Access to firearms is directly responsible for shootings, regardless if the person was mentally ill or not.[/QUOTE] Welp, I have access to it, I'd better start shooting people. [t]http://puu.sh/92ivu.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916097]I'm not supporting their world view, this suddenly turned from blaming the the rape victim for her/his rape to justifying closet rapists,[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what [b]you[/b] mean, deep down, in your heart of hearts. What matters is what your words mean to the people around you. Some of the people around you are creeps and you and your "anti-rape advice" are encouraging them whether you intend to or not.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44916084]No, the way the brains are wired is just plain different. The way it connects, the way information is processed and so forth.[/QUOTE] You couldn't be any more wrong. I'll repost my source: [url]http://www.tedxparis.com/talks/catherine-vidal-le-cerveau-a-t-il-un-sexe/[/url] (it's in French but well.) This is from a reputed neurobiologist and research leader at the Pasteur institute in Paris. Her research shows that the brain does not differ among sexes, and that whatever insignificant differences [I]between[/I] sexes can be demonstrated are completely blown over by the differences [B][U]within[/U][/B] sexes.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44916133]You couldn't be any more wrong. I'll repost my source: [url]http://www.tedxparis.com/talks/catherine-vidal-le-cerveau-a-t-il-un-sexe/[/url] (it's in French but well.) This is from a reputed neurobiologist and research leader at the Pasteur institute in Paris. Her research shows that the brain does not differ among sexes, and that whatever insignificant differences [I]between[/I] sexes can be demonstrated are completely blown over by the differences [B][U]within[/U][/B] sexes.[/QUOTE] I usually disagree with everything you post, but I have to side with you on this. Ragekipz, you're seriously an embarrassment.

I should make an English captioned version of that video one day

[QUOTE=Teracotta;44916082]So, basically, I never said anything like that and you're jumping to insult me.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even doing Do you know how to read I posted that 250,000 rapes happen annually you replied: [QUOTE=Teracotta;44915131]Reporting something doesn't mean it actually happened.[/QUOTE] and [QUOTE=Teracotta;44915341]No I'm just not gullible.[/QUOTE] when you were criticised for it that means that you believe the study was incorrect

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44916087]where's your study on that, mister rape jokes on his steam profile[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently[/url] Also, don't bullshit me with this taboo. Either everything is worth making jokes or nothing is worth making jokes. Freedom of speech means I can say whatever the fuck I want, even if you don't like it.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44916175][url]http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently[/url] Also, don't bullshit me with this taboo. Either everything is worth making jokes or nothing is worth making jokes. Freedom of speech means I can say whatever the fuck I want, even if you don't like it.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.wired.com/2013/12/getting-in-a-tangle-over-men-and-womens-brain-wiring/"]the study behind this scientific paper had been shown to use extremely dubious methodology[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44916175][url]http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently[/url] Also, don't bullshit me with this taboo. Either everything is worth making jokes or nothing is worth making jokes. Freedom of speech means I can say whatever the fuck I want, even if you don't like it.[/QUOTE] Rape jokes honestly just make you a garbage person and contribute to the rape culture you vehemently deny the existence of Just because you're legally allowed to say something doesn't make it so I can't call you out on being a fucking terrible person for it

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44916101]Because whether someone decides to rape you or not is something you can't control — at all. By saying you can do something to make the chances of being raped higher/lower (which is, I repeat again, impossible), you're placing the onus of responsability on the victim. It's victim-blaming.[/QUOTE] Yes, whether you get raped or not is entirely dependent on the rapist because he's the one doing the raping I'm not disputing that, but some thing in today's society involve taking risks like getting raped for example (unfortunately), this is not the victims fault, it's the way our society is, and we need to change that. However, the are some things which you can do, to lower your chances of getting raped. If you don't/do this, and you still get raped, it's not your fault, ever. That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916189]However, the are some things which you can do, to lower your chances of getting raped.[/QUOTE] There's something that can happen to lower the chances of getting raped and it's fighting the bullshit rape culture which you are upholding with your abhorrent and middle-ageous point of views

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44916190]There's something that can happen to lower the chances of getting raped and it's fighting the bullshit rape culture which you are upholding with your abhorrent and middle-ageous point of views[/QUOTE] I agree, that something you can do to fight this on a social scale. I never disputed that again. but lowering your risks is something that everyone should do imo.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44916203]but lowering your risks is something that everyone should do.[/QUOTE] No, it's something only rapists should do, [B][U]because they're the ones committing rapes[/U][/B]

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44916187]Rape jokes honestly just make you a garbage person and contribute to the rape culture you vehemently deny the existence of Just because you're legally allowed to say something doesn't make it so I can't call you out on being a fucking terrible person for it[/QUOTE] Because I'm legally allowed to do it, I don't give a fuck what you think.