[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35218427]Much as I despise the ending to the game, it was not a "fairy tale." The grandfather was reciting history, not an urban legend.[/QUOTE]
What's the difference? Might as well be a fairy tale. The epilogue was just awful.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;35218442]Boy's nice but he's dumber than a box of bricks. Artistic direction? How simple does it need to get before it penetrates your skull? Bioware promised a good ending. They delivered a shit ending. In what way is this a valid 'artistic direction?'[/QUOTE]
In their minds that was their good ending, that's what you people aren't getting.
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218086]They don't care because they already have your money. Maybe you people will learn a lesson and stop with the pre-ordering/release date buying. Had you of waited you wouldn't have dropped $60 on something you are so disappointed in.[/QUOTE]
I actually have to agree with you on this one. I loved the shit out of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 but I'm not going to buy or even pirate Mass Effect 3 because of all the lazy shit they're sticking in it.
I believe that a smart customer should always vote with their wallet. Otherwise the developers will see that they can get away with any half-arsed bullshit they please.
Though we all know that they already do, because majority of gamers are dumbasses that just want to see Shepard and robo-ho EDI 'get it on'.
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218430]I really don't care as I have no plans to play Mass Effect 3 ever, so it wasn't really that big of deal. I'm not being "butthurt" about anything. Certain gamers need to stop making all the rest of us look like cunts.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you start? Considering, according to you, it's perfectly acceptable for an accredited game development company to break every promise they made regarding the conclusion to one of the more successful game series in recent years.
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218454]In their minds that was their good ending, that's what you people aren't getting.[/QUOTE]
I repeat
How is this valid
It doesn't mean shit what BIOWARE thinks. They want to sell the game and satisfy fans so a situation like this does not occur. If Bioware wants pink flying elephants to destroy the reapers and save earth, it means jack and shit, because the fans are expecting an ending with more complexity than a fucking coloring book.
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218454]In their minds that was their good ending, that's what you people aren't getting.[/QUOTE]
So fuck the majority of people who think it's terrible. They don't get the ending, Bioware obviously thought it was good enough so everyone should stop bitching. Just like how someone thinks the current gas prices are good, so we shouldn't bitch about that. So on, and so forth.
This is absolutely terrible logic.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;35218479]It doesn't mean shit what BIOWARE thinks. They want to sell the game and satisfy fans so a situation like this does not occur.[/QUOTE]
You're wrong. If it wasn't already clear from their actions, they want to sell the game. Period.
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218320]I care what people on Facepunch think about my posts woe is me.[/QUOTE]
Why are you even in this thread then, [i]continuing[/i] to argue with us?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218487]So fuck the majority of people who think it's terrible. They don't get the ending, Bioware obviously thought it was good enough so everyone should stop bitching. Just like how someone thinks the current gas prices are good, so we shouldn't bitch about that. So on, and so forth.
This is absolutely terrible logic.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you're dense.
He's not saying "Bioware thinks it's good, stop bitching.". He's saying that Bioware promised a good ending and they delivered [I]what they thought was a good ending.[/I]
[QUOTE=ketchup v2;35218454]In their minds that was their good ending, that's what you people aren't getting.[/QUOTE]
"Little timmy may have burned down the hospital but in his mind he was just giving is a BIIIIIG HUG! It's hard to fault the poor boy."
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218518]You're wrong. If it wasn't already clear from their actions, they want to sell the game. Period.[/QUOTE]
I still don't get how this was going to help their sales? So many people think it's a bad as fuck ending. Atleast 3 of my friends won't be playing the game because of that.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218530]Wow, you're dense.
He's not saying "Bioware thinks it's good, stop bitching.". He's saying that Bioware prommised a good ending and they delivered [I]what they thought was a good ending.[/I][/QUOTE]
Actually that makes sense.
[editline]nope[/editline]
Actually no, that just makes them terrible writers, which is a totally different issue.
[QUOTE=Casey Hudson]For the last eight years, Mass Effect has been a labor of love for our team; love for the characters we’ve created, for the medium of video games, and for the fans that have supported us. For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made as a player since the journey began in 2007. So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions. You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.
We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way. Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.[/QUOTE]
Please, look at the video that shows all the endings simultaneously, and tell me if they met their promise here.
Hint: They didn't. The "bittersweet" ending they shot for ended up being completely bitter.
If this is what a "good ending" is nowadays, the game industry doesn't look so fertile anymore.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218541]Please, look at the video that shows all the endings simultaneously, and tell me if they met their promise here.
Hint: They didn't. The "bittersweet" ending they shot for ended up being completely bitter.[/QUOTE]
My point still stands. They thought they were delivering a good ending. They were wrong, hell yeah, but in their head they were doing it right.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218530]Wow, you're dense.
He's not saying "Bioware thinks it's good, stop bitching.". He's saying that Bioware promised a good ending and they delivered [I]what they thought was a good ending.[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm getting sick of saying this, but
[B]How[/B]
[B]Is[/B]
[B]This[/B]
[B]A[/B]
[B]Valid[/B]
[B]Excuse?[/B]
It does not matter what Bioware thinks is good. At all. Full stop. End of story. They did not release a good ending. If they don't change it, the case against the game at the FTC is a completely valid one, because they [I]did not fulfill what they promised. They did not deliver the promised product.[/I]
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218562]My point still stands. They thought they were delivering a good ending.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but you can't give merits based on good intentions. How anyone thought day-one DLC being on disk and a prompt at the very end of the game telling you to buy DLC was a good idea needs to be fired.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;35218569]I'm getting sick of saying this, but
[B]How[/B]
[B]Is[/B]
[B]This[/B]
[B]A[/B]
[B]Valid[/B]
[B]Excuse?[/B]
It does not matter what Bioware thinks is good. At all. Full stop. End of story. They did not release a good ending. If they don't change it, the case against the game at the FTC is a completely valid one, because they [I]did not fulfill what they promised. They did not deliver the promised product.[/I][/QUOTE]
"Ahaha". It's not an excuse. I just explained Ketchup's point. Get that tree out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218182][B]I'm sorry that I expected a $60 ending of a trilogy to actually have a good conclusion.[/B] Too much to ask for! Rue the day when people actually expect to get their money's worth out of something. You aren't even acknowledging that up until the ending the game was worth $60.
Of course, you're just trying to cover your ass after that wonderful debut post of yours.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I think people are putting too much weight on the ending.
What about the characters, the buildup, the missions, the awesome soundtrack and the game itself? It saddens me how the endings pretty much shadows a pretty impressive game.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218589]"Ahaha". It's not an excuse. I just explained Ketchup's point. Get that tree out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
But it's put down roots. What do I do now?
[quote]Yeah, but I think people are putting too much weight on the ending.
What about the characters, the buildup, the missions, the awesome soundtrack and the game itself? It saddens me how the endings pretty much shadows a pretty impressive game. [/quote]
It's sort of like having a delicious & beautiful cake that has a diseased, plague-ridden rat nest in the center. Everything up to the finish is great, but the ending ruins the whole experience.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218585]Okay, but you can't give merits based on good intentions. How anyone thought day-one DLC being on disk and a prompt at the very end of the game telling you to buy DLC was a good idea needs to be fired.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying Bioware did anything right, they fucked [I]EVERYTHING[/I] up in ME3, alright? Because they're fucking greedy and thick.
I'm just saying that those morons [I]thought[/I] it was a good idea. Not that [I]was[/I] a good idea.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35218591]Yeah, but I think people are putting too much weight on the ending.
What about the characters, the buildup, the missions, the awesome soundtrack and the game itself? It saddens me how the endings pretty much shadows a pretty impressive game.[/QUOTE]
You didn't read the last sentence of the line you bolded :v:
The build up was great, but how your choices played into the ending was VERY underwhelming. I understand the whole "In the end, nothing really matters" theme but I think the ending was very unclear as to detailing if your choices actually mattered or not.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;35218569]I'm getting sick of saying this, but
[B]How[/B]
[B]Is[/B]
[B]This[/B]
[B]A[/B]
[B]Valid[/B]
[B]Excuse?[/B]
It does not matter what Bioware thinks is good. At all. Full stop. End of story. They did not release a good ending. If they don't change it, the case against the game at the FTC is a completely valid one, because they [I]did not fulfill what they promised. They did not deliver the promised product.[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm gonna have to agree here. The fact that the endings were bad is null, it's that they were A) All almost identical and B) Binary, multiple choice options, which went against Bioware's claims that the resulting ending would be entirely influenced by the player's decisions leading up to that point rather than being straight up options. That is the main thing. Ignoring how good or bad the endings were, Bioware made a promise and it [i]did not even closely[/i] deliver on that promise.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;35218609]I'm not saying Bioware did anything right, they fucked [I]EVERYTHING[/I] up in ME3, alright? Because they're fucking greedy and thick.
I'm just saying that those morons [I]thought[/I] it was a good idea. Not that [I]was[/I] a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Saying they fucked up everything is an overstatement, it was the ending that was the problem.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218616]You didn't read the last sentence of the line you bolded :v:
The build up was great, but how your choices played into the ending was VERY underwhelming. I understand the whole "In the end, nothing really matters" theme but I think the ending was very unclear as to detailing if your choices actually mattered or not.[/QUOTE]
"But it's about SAACRIFIIIICE!*"
*like sacrificing your money to feed our greedy fat corporate faces, that is. Buy not-shit ending DLC now for only 50$!
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218616]You didn't read the last sentence of the line you bolded :v:
The build up was great, [B]but how your choices played into the ending was VERY underwhelming[/B]. I understand the whole "In the end, nothing really matters" theme but I think the ending was very unclear as to detailing if your choices actually mattered or not.[/QUOTE]
Wops :v:
But yeah, that's a shame. I really liked this trilogy. It's kinda like buying the biggest firework on the market, you light it and it makes a small pop.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;35218638]Saying they fucked up everything is an overstatement, it was the ending that was the problem.[/QUOTE]
I can't judge the gameplay since I didn't played it myself but story-wise from what I've seen it's a horrible mess.
Everyone gets killed for stupid reasons. Old characters get resurrected with more cleavage and cheap Miranda-esque whore suits. EDI get's remade into...that...[I]thing[/I].
Most sub-plot doesn't get any kind of resolution at all.
Plus the whole Reaper and Protean plot.
It seems like they did everything to please Dragon Age crowd (read: fan fiction obsessed basement dwelling serial wankers).
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35218698]Wops :v:
But yeah, that's a shame. I really liked this trilogy. It's kinda like buying the biggest firework on the market, you light it and it makes a small pop.[/QUOTE]
That actually happened to me once
We bought a $30 10-cylinder fountain. The entire last cylinder combusted at once and went flying down the street. (read: it actually just fell over.) It was a let down
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35218698]Wops :v:
But yeah, that's a shame. I really liked this trilogy. It's kinda like buying the biggest firework on the market, you light it and it makes a small pop.[/QUOTE]
No, it's more like buying the biggest firework on the market, and when you light it, it slowly unravels into progressively smaller fireworks that unravel again til it finally releases a small firework, which raises a flag reading "Buy our DLC" on it and then unravels into nothing without even exploding.
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;35218740][img]http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0sej1IQe41qkhjsco1_500.png[/img]
[editline]20th March 2012[/editline]
:tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
Dat camel toe
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35218740][img]http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0sej1IQe41qkhjsco1_500.png[/img]
[editline]20th March 2012[/editline]
:tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
That makes me want to stomp on their lead designers face, or whoever is responsible for this shit.
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