It sounds like Overwatch's McCree is going to get nerfed - Sensationalist Headlines

McCree actually has no counters, according to the most popular wiki.

Mccree's flash should only stun light and fragile heroes, like Tracer or Genji, and heavier heroes should only get a slowdown

no more high noon my dudes but i guess according to wiki pages hes [i] totally [/i] uncounter-able

[QUOTE=MrBond;50432639]idk im just saying maybe there's a reason most competitive teams run 2 mccree[/QUOTE] There was a time when competitive TF2 meta was a team full of snipers, I shit you not. It evolved.

[QUOTE=Drury;50435127]There was a time when competitive TF2 meta was a team full of snipers, I shit you not. It evolved.[/QUOTE] That's because valve has done balance updates since the game was released [editline]1st June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=dai;50433056]that's the biggest problem with mccree and mei from a gameplay perspective, is that they stun you and can take time to kill you. McCree at least guns you down fast enough, though you're still standing there like the helpless idiot you are while he does it. Mei renders you ineffective for 4-10 seconds depending on your own health before you actually DIE, and due to the abrupt slowdown of both your movement and your cursor tracking, it's near impossible in the heat of a fight to use any of that freezing time to properly react to her being on your tail. Due to the freeze they can take their sweet time and occasionally will use emotes to wave at you before lining up a free headshot[/QUOTE] Why did they add stuns Did they learn nothing from tf2? Robin Walker regrets the sandman

[QUOTE=ragin cajun;50434409]people who think mei deserves to be nerfed are just bad shes annoying to play against but balance wise shes fine[/QUOTE] I only slightly agree. I just think they should tone down, if not completely remove, her healing.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50435195]That's because valve has done balance updates since the game was released[/QUOTE] They didn't do much to sniper (pretty much just add a tiny timeframe after scoping during which headshots don't work), and some classes were pretty OP back then also. People just didn't realize yet.

His E+Right Click is pretty much a kill unless he botches it, and it's really hard to botch it. He is one of the hardest heroes in the game to directly hard counter, the ones i can only really think of are ranged heroes like Widowmaker and Hanzo. Those heroes aren't exactly useful at certain phases of the game, so you might want to choose pharah instead to round out your offense on attack.

[QUOTE=ragin cajun;50434409]people who think mei deserves to be nerfed are just bad shes annoying to play against but balance wise shes fine[/QUOTE] The good old obnoxious git gud arguement. I'm sure the players who have been playing since the very early beta and complaining about her aren't bad and know the game pretty fucking well.

[QUOTE=AJ10017;50432449]why nerf McCree when theres characters that are more deserving of a nerf, like mei and widowmaker?[/QUOTE] How does widowmaker need a nerf?

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;50435315]How does widowmaker need a nerf?[/QUOTE] Yeah.. She already got nerfed from the beta, which had a sniper charge time of literally 1 second to 3.

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;50435315]How does widowmaker need a nerf?[/QUOTE] She is the most disgustingly overpowered class in the entire game have you not played a round with a good widow?? They literally dominate the entire map, there is no counter other than another widow but with better aim

[QUOTE=Nemisis116;50435350]She is the most disgustingly overpowered class in the entire game have you not played a round with a good widow?? They literally dominate the entire map, there is no counter other than another widow but with better aim[/QUOTE] Her power loads up way too fast. Everytime I play on Anubis, there's always that one Widow who annihilates everything

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;50435315]How does widowmaker need a nerf?[/QUOTE] She needs to be removed/remade, she just exists because "MUH FPS GAMES MUST HAVE SNIPER CLASS / WEAPON". When I get killed by a hero I know that I could've done something to prevent my death, even with Hanzo arrows you can take cover and react to him. Widowmaker just clicks on your head (multiple times if necessary) and you're toast, no counterplay, no reaction.

[QUOTE=JackDestiny;50435394]Her power loads up way too fast. Everytime I play on Anubis, there's always that one Widow who annihilates everything[/QUOTE] Typically because they are good as Widowmaker. For every Good Widowmaker i see there are always 2 randoms that change to widowmaker from something we actually need as a result we lose the game because instead of having a support class we have someone who is trying to snipe a shielded zarya essentially feeding her so she can murder us all. As for her damage output, it's about 150 a charged shot, if it's a headshot it'll typically kill most offense, support characters and deal a good chunk of damage to tanks. As for those saying there is no counter, then you haven't tried Reaper or Pharah or you just aren't good enough to counter said Widowmaker. Flank her and she will crumble. Picking the counters is a third of the battle. If you can't pull off the plays to take them out then let someone else on your team take over. I cannot put heavier emphasis on this.

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;50435477]Typically because they are good as Widowmaker. For every Good Widowmaker i see there are always 2 randoms that change to widowmaker from something we actually need as a result we lose the game because instead of having a support class we have someone who is trying to snipe a shielded zarya essentially feeding her so she can murder us all. As for her damage output, it's about 150 a charged shot, if it's a headshot it'll typically kill most offense, support characters and deal a good chunk of damage to tanks. As for those saying there is no counter, then you haven't tried Reaper or Pharah or you just aren't good enough to counter said Widowmaker. Flank her and she will crumble. Picking the counters is a third of the battle. If you can't pull off the plays to take them out then let someone else on your team take over. I cannot put heavier emphasis on this.[/QUOTE] When I'm playing in a full stack we see and react to anyone flanking our widowmaker and it's normally a free kill (she baits and escapes with grappling hook). You can counter her against solo players, maybe.

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;50435477]Typically because they are good as Widowmaker. For every Good Widowmaker i see there are always 2 randoms that change to widowmaker from something we actually need as a result we lose the game because instead of having a support class we have someone who is trying to snipe a shielded zarya essentially feeding her so she can murder us all. As for her damage output, it's about 150 a charged shot, if it's a headshot it'll typically kill most offense, support characters and deal a good chunk of damage to tanks. As for those saying there is no counter, then you haven't tried Reaper or Pharah or you just aren't good enough to counter said Widowmaker. Flank her and she will crumble. Picking the counters is a third of the battle. If you can't pull off the plays to take them out then let someone else on your team take over. I cannot put heavier emphasis on this.[/QUOTE] She can 1 hit kill reaper and pharah, and if you do somehow make it close to her, she just spiderman hooks the fuck out of there like nothing happened I'll never understand why they needed to put a generic boring 1 hit kill ez mode sniper when they could have just left it with hanzo

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;50435315]How does widowmaker need a nerf?[/QUOTE] Are we playing same game

i've been saying that mcree was broken since the closed beta there is no matchup that he cannot win, in a game of rock-paper-scissors style-ish balance, he's the fucking gun tanks are meaningless to him

It's always fun jumping behind tanks and using McCree's combo to kill them. I've lost count on how many Reinhardts I've pissed off today. :vs:

[QUOTE=Tsanummy;50435455]She needs to be removed/remade, she just exists because "MUH FPS GAMES MUST HAVE SNIPER CLASS / WEAPON". When I get killed by a hero I know that I could've done something to prevent my death, even with Hanzo arrows you can take cover and react to him. Widowmaker just clicks on your head (multiple times if necessary) and you're toast, no counterplay, no reaction.[/QUOTE] I think this is more an issue with sniper classes in general rather than with Widow specifically. The issue is more than likely to go away once you play 6-mans with friends rather than playing in pubs where communication is nonexistent. Just call out her position. I mean I understand the hate but compared to CS:GO you guys have it easy, the AWP can literally one-shot you from full health + armor, and even at that there's not a problem with it because of how many people communicate. On top of that I've actually made a [URL="https://gist.github.com/branden-akana/55a8ab69aa017dd82901025c3bacd0b7"]compilation of tier lists from four different sources[/URL] and in high-level competitive play nobody plays mei because of how easy she is to counter (just don't be alone?), there's no need to nerf that shit

[QUOTE=Octopod;50435885]I think this is more an issue with sniper classes in general rather than with Widow specifically. The issue is more than likely to go away once you play 6-mans with friends rather than playing in pubs where communication is nonexistent. Just call out her position. I mean I understand the hate but compared to CS:GO you guys have it easy, the AWP can literally one-shot you from full health + armor, and even at that there's not a problem with it because of how many people communicate. On top of that I've actually made a [URL="https://gist.github.com/branden-akana/55a8ab69aa017dd82901025c3bacd0b7"]compilation of tier lists from four different sources[/URL] and in high-level competitive play nobody plays mei because of how easy she is to counter (just don't be alone?), there's no need to nerf that shit[/QUOTE] You have more utility in csgo with smokes and such vs the awp and awpers also don't have grappling hooks Maps are also designed differently in overwatch. Widowmaker on the Russia map, where you have 1 entrance to funnel through is a nightmare. You generally have a lot more entrances and angles in a csgo map.

[QUOTE=Nemisis116;50435350]She is the most disgustingly overpowered class in the entire game have you not played a round with a good widow?? They literally dominate the entire map, there is no counter other than another widow but with better aim[/QUOTE] Tracer or Genji to get in her face? A sniper should be able to one shot people, and just because there are good widowmakers shouldn't mean she gets nerfed. I've seen a lot of people suck at widowmaker but still insist on playing it. Every class is good in the right hands, and it's just harder to play against another good person.

McCree is certainly very strong but I don't get it when people say that the flashbang isn't fun. It's not like getting stunned for half a second then killed is much worse than just getting killed outright by a Reaper or something.

the only thing about mccree that really needs anything changing is his flashbang, the amount of times i've escaped mad bullshit situations by using flashbang and following up with instant headshot is stupid. also his ulti is always suicide or wasted unless you're extremely lucky or better than me

[QUOTE=KillRay;50437246]You have more utility in csgo with smokes and such vs the awp and awpers also don't have grappling hooks Maps are also designed differently in overwatch. Widowmaker on the Russia map, where you have 1 entrance to funnel through is a nightmare. You generally have a lot more entrances and angles in a csgo map.[/QUOTE] A Tracer can actually jump over the water on the left on Volskaya and go wreck the sniper. Same with D.Va, etc.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;50439691]McCree is certainly very strong but I don't get it when people say that the flashbang isn't fun. It's not like getting stunned for half a second then killed is much worse than just getting killed outright by a Reaper or something.[/QUOTE] I think the flashbang literally "stuns all enemies in front of you" they don't even have to look at the flashbang to get stunned

[QUOTE=Kljunas;50439691]McCree is certainly very strong but I don't get it when people say that the flashbang isn't fun. It's not like getting stunned for half a second then killed is much worse than just getting killed outright by a Reaper or something.[/QUOTE] You can shoot back with the Reaper, with a McCree it's literally 'get in range of flashbang and get instakilled'.