Actually the Sarif wallpaper you can get is pretty awesome.
I'll post the numbers for the RGB and everything so if you choose to center it you can type these numbers in to match yellow.
hue:47
Saturation:79
Vibrance:100
R:254
G:211
B:54
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;31255716]except it seems like half of the concerns are "stay human, god didn't intend this" while the other half is "it's too expensive" then a third half is "gov'ment took my baby!"[/QUOTE]
Not its not, they're saying that through those microchips and and silicion there is gear inside to track what you're doing. There are probably secruity system in place for officers so that your augumentations can be shut down. They also can shut it down through hacking since they created the system.
Its ruined people's lives and those who don't get augmentation are worried about being discriminated against. They're just warning people of the down sides to an extreme measure while Sarif is promoting it to an extreme measure.
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;31255625]They have legitimate concerns and the people addicted to a drug just to get their augmentations to work only shows that what Sarif is doing is not only dangerous but just wrong.
I think in this game they're actually going to try to show that Augmentation has downsides.[/QUOTE]
I will be extremely disappointed if the game shoves one side of the argument in your face or has some kind of moral.
That won't happen though.
My wallet is augmented
[QUOTE=Turnips5;31255813]I will be extremely disappointed if the game shoves one side of the argument in your face or has some kind of moral.
That won't happen though.[/QUOTE]
If anything it'll show both sides and let you choose.
Similar to how inFamous 2 went when you found who and the nature of why the Beast was killing everyone.
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[QUOTE=FreakySoup;31255901]My wallet is augmented[/QUOTE]
I'm out of bio electric energy.
All good, but why would the body need some dangerous drug to keep it from rejecting augmentations.
Seems a little farfetched, are the augmentation designers really that bad?
[QUOTE=cyanidem;31256231]All good, but why would the body need some dangerous drug to keep it from rejecting augmentations.
Seems a little farfetched, are the augmentation designers really that bad?[/QUOTE]
Happens in real life with organ transplantation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transplant_rejection[/url]
You need drugs to weaken the immune system enough for the body to accept the new organ. I'm not sure if you'd need to keep taking drugs in the case of augmentations, but the basic idea of it is built on fact.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;31256336]Happens in real life with organ transplantation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transplant_rejection[/url]
You need drugs to weaken the immune system enough for the body to accept the new organ. I'm not sure if you'd need to keep taking drugs in the case of augmentations, but the basic idea of it is built on fact.[/QUOTE]
The body would consider anything that isn't organic as a foreign object to attack so yeah probably.
I wasn't even hyped for this game, now I am
Fuck I'm such a sucker. 'Spose I better go play the first game now
[QUOTE=Turnips5;31256336]Happens in real life with organ transplantation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transplant_rejection[/url]
You need drugs to weaken the immune system enough for the body to accept the new organ. I'm not sure if you'd need to keep taking drugs in the case of augmentations, but the basic idea of it is built on fact.[/QUOTE]
I can see where theyre coming from, but these are augmentations, not organic tissue.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;31258692]I can see where theyre coming from, but these are augmentations, not organic tissue.[/QUOTE]
It's a video game.
[QUOTE=hehe;31258781]It's a video game.[/QUOTE]
Youre in a forum centered around them...
oh and sorry for caring about the stories in games.
That was truly amazing, I really feel like installing the first Dues Ex now.
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[QUOTE=cyanidem;31256231]All good, but why would the body need some dangerous drug to keep it from rejecting augmentations.
Seems a little farfetched, are the augmentation designers really that bad?[/QUOTE]
the body can't handle the metals, or whatever. There are tons of metals that the body rejects very easily you know, because the immune system doesn't know what they are, and sees them as foreign objects, though, rejects them, or at least tries to.
(Correct this if I'm wrong please!) Titanium is the only metal I can think of that is able to effectively remain in the body without being rejected, since they can't make it all titanium, of course, issues will occur.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;31258692]I can see where theyre coming from, but these are augmentations, not organic tissue.[/QUOTE]
Why are you questioning the work of science fiction?
Thats like arguing on how light sabers work, its [del]silly[/del] retarded.
[QUOTE=J!NX;31259125]That was truly amazing, I really feel like installing the first Dues Ex now.
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Thats like arguing on how light sabers work, its [del]silly[/del] retarded.[/QUOTE]
I thought everyone already knew. Magic crystals and bacteria on your blood obviously.
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Oh and the whole "drug" thing is likely just another creation by Sarif to make even more money.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;31259337]I thought everyone already knew. Magic crystals and bacteria on your blood obviously.
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Oh and the whole "drug" thing is likely just another creation by Sarif to make even more money.[/QUOTE]
JC Denton aren't you supposed to be doing paper work? what are you doing?
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;31255625]They have legitimate concerns and the people addicted to a drug just to get their augmentations to work only shows that what Sarif is doing is not only dangerous but just wrong.
I think in this game they're actually going to try to show that Augmentation has downsides.[/QUOTE]
In like, the first three minutes of the game, they pretty much immediately indicate that the scientists at Sarif have figured out how to do it so that, not only will your body not reject them, but it will actually adapt to the augmentations and even embrace them, strengthening the bond. (That's not a spoiler, the game literally opens up telling you this. Its pretty much the first thing you learn, before even how to walk or interact.)
The other argument, like them shutting them down and tracking you and such, is from the conspiracy theory theme that has always be a major part of the world of Deus Ex. But when you look at what they are saying, they sound almost identical to the conspiracy theorists we have today.
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Funny enough though, they are doing a great job of highlighting many of the numerous ways people try to criticize Transhumanism. From the Hubris arguments, to the loss of humanity arguments, to the Gattaca arguments. Its great. Go read the Wikipedia article about Transhumanism. You can easily identify pretty much every single one of the things from the controversy section somewhere in the Purity First ideologies.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;31260263]In like, the first three minutes of the game, they pretty much immediately indicate that the scientists at Sarif have figured out how to do it so that, not only will your body not reject them, but it will actually adapt to the augmentations and even embrace them, strengthening the bond. (That's not a spoiler, the game literally opens up telling you this. Its pretty much the first thing you learn, before even how to walk or interact.)
The other argument, like them shutting them down and tracking you and such, is from the conspiracy theory theme that has always be a major part of the world of Deus Ex. But when you look at what they are saying, they sound almost identical to the conspiracy theorists we have today.
[editline]21st July 2011[/editline]
Funny enough though, they are doing a great job of highlighting many of the numerous ways people try to criticize Transhumanism. From the Hubris arguments, to the loss of humanity arguments, to the Gattaca arguments. Its great. Go read the Wikipedia article about Transhumanism. You can easily identify pretty much every single one of the things from the controversy section somewhere in the Purity First ideologies.[/QUOTE]
Wait, and you'll trust Sarif? Without even any evidence, that's like thinking UNATCO has your back.
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;31260785]Wait, and you'll trust Sarif? Without even any evidence, that's like thinking UNATCO has your back.[/QUOTE]Trust them on what? That the new treatment works? They show it through background information and such, things the main character wouldn't know, things done in privacy, kinda like the opening discussion in the original. Your character works for them as well, head of security, and you are privy to many of their secrets. And when you are actually augmented, they remark on the new method and use it. In the first level of the game, there is a plethora of evidence showing that it is true.
In fact, from what can be seen so far, the only good guys are Sarif.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;31260864]Trust them on what? That the new treatment works? They show it through background information and such, things the main character wouldn't know, things done in privacy, kinda like the opening discussion in the original. Your character works for them as well, head of security, and you are privy to many of their secrets. And when you are actually augmented, they remark on the new method and use it. In the first level of the game, there is a plethora of evidence showing that it is true.
In fact, from what can be seen so far, the only good guys are Sarif.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that but I haven't gotten a chance to play the game and I'm not going to pay attention to the leaks.
Only for Deus Ex can you argue about a conspiracy theory in a video game before it even comes out
Also in the first Deus Ex the theorists were right
It'd be nice if it turned out that Sarif Industries were the good guys, But I'm not holding my breath - it's a cyberpunk game, and if there's anything cyberpunk is good at, it's being an extended lecture on how technology eats your soul.
i'm under the impression you'll choose who you end up siding with which i think was one of the original designs of the first game but was scrapped
[QUOTE=Crazy_Farmer;31264526]i'm under the impression you'll choose who you end up siding with which i think was one of the original designs of the first game but was scrapped[/QUOTE]You can still kinda do that, but its not as decisive as it could be in this one.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;31256231]All good, but why would the body need some dangerous drug to keep it from rejecting augmentations.
Seems a little farfetched, are the augmentation designers really that bad?[/QUOTE]
presumably it's some kind of conspiracy to keep the revenue flowing even after you've been augmented
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;31268048]presumably it's some kind of conspiracy to keep the revenue flowing even after you've been augmented[/QUOTE]Actually, its because the neural pathways of the body begin to degenerate as a result of the augmentation process and binding them to your neurons, so the drug slows it down. That's what the procedure Sarif apparently found does, stops the degeneration and actually makes the neurons accept and adapt to the augmentations.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;31264109]It'd be nice if it turned out that Sarif Industries were the good guys, But I'm not holding my breath - it's a cyberpunk game, and if there's anything cyberpunk is good at, it's being an extended lecture on how technology eats your soul.[/QUOTE]
And making sure that there are no good guys.
That's the only time I've ever liked a live-action trailer for a game. It was just so good.
Funny thing is, they won't be able to convey this into the game very well, at least from the player perspective, because [sp]Adam doesn't need neuropozyne, his body doesn't reject his augmentations.[/sp]
And its obviously a lot of Purity First propaganda, I'm not saying its bullshit, but I'm sure that if they do another trailer for Humanity Front, its gonna make a much better and more objective case against augmentations.
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Also, its already been said that in the game, Sarif is actually workign on augs that don't conflict with the body, but the control point they make is pretty good, and in the game [sp]you encounter a purity first member with cerebral implants that make him a human proxy, he's being controlled by someone else, and even kills himself because of that.[/sp]
[QUOTE=cyanidem;31256231]All good, but why would the body need some dangerous drug to keep it from rejecting augmentations.
Seems a little farfetched, are the augmentation designers really that bad?[/QUOTE]
Explains this in the book.
You need Neopryozine (or however you spell it) to prevent your nerve endings and body to grow on top of the augmentation, which basically ends up in the body rejecting it as a forign object.
It never said it was addictive though or a "drug" in the traditional sense - just a substance you have to inject yourself with every so often to make sure your body plays nice with the aug.
Well, Purity First tells them that its addictive to make them afraid of it.
[QUOTE=KorJax;31281702]Explains this in the book.
You need Neopryozine (or however you spell it) to prevent your nerve endings and body to grow on top of the augmentation, which basically ends up in the body rejecting it as a forign object.
It never said it was addictive though or a "drug" in the traditional sense - just a substance you have to inject yourself with every so often to make sure your body plays nice with the aug.[/QUOTE]
So its not addictive in the tradition sense but to avoid pain that would be associated with your body rejecting a limb you need to take it.
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