[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;44420638]I'd like to remind you that you're talking about someone who started his game development "carrer", as an ideas guy, he said it himself, he didn't even know how to code, and he still somehow got to be the face of Fez.
And his meltdown is partly his fault as well for not knowing when to shut up and kepping on insulting everyone around him, I'd to like to bring up that example of a japanese game dev, who came out to a panel show to say how much he admired phil and his work, and phil, humiliated the poor sod.
Phil is anything but a nice guy, he is a piece of shit and /v/ said it better than I could, he is a diva dev.[/QUOTE]
so you're saying he deserved all the hate and abuse? do you think that's the mature way to handle the situation? the dude basically poured his heart and soul into a game, and the industry responds by abusing him because of some stupid comments he made. do you have any idea what it's like to receive thousands of hate messages a day?
also he didn't 'insult everyone around him', he was vocal about what he thought about the xbox one and his comments regarding the Japanese developer was: "My delivery could have been more tactful, but I do think most modern Japanese games are god-damn awful".
Wow this isn't a fucking joking matter why would anybody even try to pull such a prank?
Let's all get out panties in a bunch because that one guy who got offended and handled it poorly is making a game again. Or, well we could just play the damn thing. Yeah he did some stupid shit, but he's not EA. I tried to come up with something other than just the standard: "You don't know what it's like" argument, but sudden fame is fucking hard work. Game devs are people too, and even if you think the guy is a douchebag, that doesn't make his game suck.
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420577]Nobody's perfect, honestly. He's still a human being.[/QUOTE]
So because he is human, it gives him the right to be an asshole about almost everything?
Ok.
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420482]And even if you [I]don't[/I] like Phil, I'm sure you can agree that Fez was a great game. Separate the artist from his art, maybe, and play it anyway?[/QUOTE]
I can agree that I liked some of the visuals and that the 3D thing was a neat idea for a complete minute. It was a boring game with a pretentious style to it, it's humour also fell really short (for me anyway).
Besides, the reasoning that you don't want to play something because the main creator was a dick is completely valid. Because they act like a douche nozzle but make good stuff doesn't mean they still should get money. If you're a complete dick, keep it to yourself, don't try to make everyone on the internet your bitch. Also, you can't forget that there were other people on the team. Them I feel sorry for, because the massive asstwat, that Phil Fish is, probably cost them money.
Because there was such a large demand to have it be brought back after he cancelled it
but [b][i]MAYBE[/i][/b] Fez 2 will be good if
- it gets rid of the generic "pixel" art style
- tosses out the procedurally generated ambient chiptune "music"
- actually have challenge and depth to it's mechanics
- stop being so fucking two dimensional for a game based around three dimensional mechanics
- phil stops acting like a cock
- don't spend a year making your game and four trashing everyone to build hype for it
There is also the part where he went on record at GDC saying that he would Never make a game again.
I think he's trying to get some attention just to rub his middle finger into others faces again.
[QUOTE=Foda;44420973]so you're saying he deserved all the hate and abuse?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;44420638]
[B]And his meltdown is partly his fault as well[/B] for not knowing when to shut up and kepping on insulting everyone around him, I'd to like to bring up that example of a japanese game dev, who came out to a panel show to say how much he admired phil and his work, and phil, humiliated the poor sod.
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[QUOTE=Foda;44420973]do you think that's the mature way to handle the situation? the dude basically poured his heart and soul into a game, and the industry responds by abusing him because of some stupid comments he made. do you have any idea what it's like to receive thousands of hate messages a day?
also he didn't 'insult everyone around him'[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Foda;44420973]he was vocal about what he thought about the xbox one and his comments regarding the Japanese developer was: "My delivery could have been more tactful, but I do think most modern Japanese games are god-damn awful".[/QUOTE]
Even if it wasn't his intention it still came across as incredibly insulting, to the guy who was just there to tell him how much he admired his work.
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420577]Nobody's perfect, honestly. He's still a human being.[/QUOTE]
There's a line between having human flaws and just straight up publicly humiliating your own fans. That's not cracking under stress from internet trolls. That's being a grade A douchebag.
The reason people don't like him is his entire attitude and outward personality. He reacted to criticism by throwing tantrums and he acted like he was God's gift to the game industry. Every single interview I read or saw of him had him acting the same way. Not to mention behind the scenes I've read that he treats game journalists like peasants who must kneel before their king. There's a line between having human flaws and being a grade A douchebag, and he crossed that line by several miles.
Phil Fish was on the GiantBomb GDC stream, and he actually acted like a rational human being that socializes with others on an at least occasional basis. He actually seems like he's reconnected with others again and has learned how to talk to people and actually be a decent guy to be around.
It doesn't excuse the way he acted in the past, but he barely showed any sign of the old "choke on it" Phil ever having existed.
Jeff Gerstmann asked him point-blank if he was going to make games again. "No!"
I think Fez was an [I]okay[/I] game, but it was not God's gift to western gaming the way Phil talked and acted like it and he was. If it had come out a year after he'd gone nuts showing off the graphics engine to everyone, it probably would've gone over a lot better. Instead, he played his hand too early, and by the time Fez launched, voxels weren't a new thing anymore and and been done better by other games.
I was actually looking forward to Fez 2 not because Fez was an amazing game, but because Fez would've been the trial by fire, and I would expect Fez 2 to have a better design that was informed by the lessons learned from Fez. But Phil was on Twitter, waving his dick around, so nobody can have the nice things.
If this isn't actually an April Fool's joke, it's going to have to include Phil Fish in front of a camera for at least 5 minutes on YouTube apologizing for the way he used to be before he relearned how to talk to other people. That won't wipe out the past, but he's going to have a long and humbling road to rebuilding his PR if this isn't just a joke.
All I've heard and seen of Phil Fish paints him as an ego-centric, provoking jackass, so that's my current opinion of him.
Can you blame me, really after seeing the stuff he's posted? I'll be more lenient to his "struggle" when he does something that makes him look more reasonable.
worlds worst april fools
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;44420955]Okay, someone please explain this to me. Fez received critical acclaim and I loved it. But after Phil Fish's meltdown, you're all saying it was a shit game and don't want a sequel? I'm legitimately confused here. Moreover, why are you people so against it coming out? How would it affect you if it came out? Couldn't you just... not play it?
I understand people hate Phil Fish, but that's not really a reason to hate a game just because he was part of it.[/QUOTE]
orrrrrr its just not a great a game as people make it out to be. its boring to play, crappy 8bit 'retro' visuals, the whole ARG-ish thing its got going on isnt all that interesting as well, and its been shown in the past that the whole 'flip your aspect of the game to platform' has been done by another, better, flash game in the past
[QUOTE=Mr.95;44421070]- tosses out the procedurally generated ambient chiptune "music"[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of things wrong with fez but this sentence is complete and total bullshit with a side of chips because I've actually played the game.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76GnOwHorn0‎[/media]
[url]http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez-ost[/url]
Unless you were just parroting that tryhard "ha ha lol ironic 90s reference HA HA!!!!!" youtube channel
[QUOTE=mchapra;44421363]There's a lot of things wrong with fez but this sentence is complete and total bullshit with a side of chips because I've actually played the game.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76GnOwHorn0‎[/media]
[url]http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez-ost[/url]
Unless you were just parroting that tryhard "ha ha lol ironic 90s reference HA HA!!!!!" youtube channel[/QUOTE]
I think the OST was nice, but that it could have been a lot more. I wholly disagree with most of the awards that it won.
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;44421395]I think the OST was nice, but that it could have been a lot more. I wholly disagree with most of the awards that it won.[/QUOTE]
I thought the OST was ok but people seem to keep assuming because of that best gamers video and countless other videos that the OST is some ambient shit when it isn't. Not even close.
Wait a minute, people can't make pixel art in their games anymore? A side note yeah but still. Is that really the general opinion?
[QUOTE=Niko_38;44421569]Wait a minute, people can't make pixel art in their games anymore? A side note yeah but still. Is that really the general opinion?[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened with the grey n brown military shooters, one game did it well, suddenly everyone jumped on the band waggon and ran it into the ground.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;44421602]Same thing happened with the grey n brown military shooters, one game did it well, suddenly everyone jumped on the band waggon and ran it into the ground.[/QUOTE]
Not to go into this but for games that have only one person who only does programming do it as a easy and quick way to make art for it, it's completely acceptable.
I mean artists aren't really cheap to hire.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;44421602]Same thing happened with the grey n brown military shooters, one game did it well, suddenly everyone jumped on the band waggon and ran it into the ground.[/QUOTE]
Well you can't exactly compare the two. Pixel art keeps production cost low when it comes to art work. Besides, I think the aesthetic in Fez was charming.
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420577]Nobody's perfect, honestly. He's still a human being.[/QUOTE]
Hitler was a great guy. He had some flaws like killing millions, but other than that there wasn't anything wrong with him.
honestly, I just think that half decade where he made Fez and got in trouble with his co-creator, and the trouble with his dad (who got leukemia) made him go fucking insane. like, the dude is friggin insane. wtf.
[QUOTE=Niko_38;44421674]Well you can't exactly compare the two. Pixel art keeps production cost low when it comes to art work. Besides, I think the aesthetic in Fez was charming.[/QUOTE]
I'm comparing it when it comes to it's usage, the AAA market became saturated with grey n brown shooter the same way the indie market became saturated with pixelated plataformers.
if this is a joke, I sure as hell ain't laughing
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420577]Nobody's perfect, honestly. He's still a human being.[/QUOTE]
A douchy cunt of a human being.
Fez was an okay game, but Phil Fish... The man doesn't deserve respect after quitting the game industry like a little spoiled child.
This guy is a cancerous hemorrhoid on the asshole of the gaming industry
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[QUOTE=Korolev86;44421872]Fez was an okay game, but Phil Fish... The man doesn't deserve respect after quitting the game industry like a little spoiled child.[/QUOTE]
It's not even that, he's pretentious because he made a shitty game (that he threw a fucking [I]FIT[/I] over incessantly)
Smells fishy
[QUOTE=Foda;44420973]so you're saying he deserved all the hate and abuse? do you think that's the mature way to handle the situation? the dude basically poured his heart and soul into a game, and the industry responds by abusing him because of some stupid comments he made. do you have any idea what it's like to receive thousands of hate messages a day?
also he didn't 'insult everyone around him', he was vocal about what he thought about the xbox one and his comments regarding the Japanese developer was: "My delivery could have been more tactful, but I do think most modern Japanese games are god-damn awful".[/QUOTE]
He spoke shit he got shit, that's how karma works.
I don't understand why people keep blaming the people attacking Phil Fish when he was the one who dug himself in a hole. Ever after winning the IGA he'd be hostile to absolutely everyone even when no one was really attacking him. Effectively the person responsible for driving Phil Fish out of games is Phil Fish.
I mean even if you look at his older posts on the web on TIGSource and what not, it's pretty clear this is a pretty hotheaded person who can't take criticism.
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