• April Fools? Fez 2 is un-canceled
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[QUOTE=joost1120;44421715]Hitler was a great guy. He had some flaws like killing millions, but other than that there wasn't anything wrong with him.[/QUOTE] how is this even compareable
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420482]Phil Fish is a nice guy. No, for real. He makes good stuff, too - it's just hard to keep control when you have thousands upon thousands of internet assholes yelling shit about you day in and day out. Nobody's perfect, and I honestly feel sorry for him. And even if you [I]don't[/I] like Phil, I'm sure you can agree that Fez was a great game. Separate the artist from his art, maybe, and play it anyway?[/QUOTE] I'd love to, but in order to play it I would have to give money to Phil Fish. So it's impossible.
[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;44422031]how is this even compareable[/QUOTE] Saying someone's a human isn't an excuse for his faults.
I honestly though he killed him self.
No thanks. One Phil Fish melt down was enough, thanks.
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420482]Phil Fish is a nice guy. No, for real. He makes good stuff, too - it's just hard to keep control when you have thousands upon thousands of internet assholes yelling shit about you day in and day out. Nobody's perfect, and I honestly feel sorry for him. And even if you [I]don't[/I] like Phil, I'm sure you can agree that Fez was a great game. Separate the artist from his art, maybe, and play it anyway?[/QUOTE] Do you think the thousands upon thousands internet assholes appeared on a whim and his behaviour had nothing to do with it? He might not deserve the flack he's getting, but that doesn't mean he isn't doing anything to attract that flack.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;44422409]are you seriously comparing a genocide to video games right now are you seriously doing this[/QUOTE] Yeah yeah yeah [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law"]Godwin's law[/URL] nothing extraordinary on FP.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;44422409]are you seriously comparing a genocide to video games right now are you seriously doing this[/QUOTE] Maybe if you actually read the post he was quoting you'd understand that he isn't doing that.
More cryptic shit ass puzzles to google? Yeah no thanks I'd rather have Cave Story 2
[video=youtube;QuDqraUlUcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuDqraUlUcM[/video]
[QUOTE=mchapra;44421363]There's a lot of things wrong with fez but this sentence is complete and total bullshit with a side of chips because I've actually played the game. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76GnOwHorn0‎[/media] [url]http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez-ost[/url] Unless you were just parroting that tryhard "ha ha lol ironic 90s reference HA HA!!!!!" youtube channel[/QUOTE] That literally sounds like something a developer would make with as3sfxr if they didn't feel like actually spending time on their music
that was pretentious
FEZ was an interesting cryptographic puzzle game, which is cool because I can think of basically zero games which even try to be that.
[QUOTE=mchapra;44420522]yeah he's so nice when a japanese game developer came to him over admiration he publicly humiliated the dude[/QUOTE] [I]This isn't what happened, get your story straight[/I]. There was a Q&A after the screening of Indie Game The Movie, and a Japanese audience member (who happened to be a developer, Makoto Goto aka [URL="https://twitter.com/SquashSesame"]@SquashSesame[/URL]) asked what Phil Fish thought of [U]modern[/U] Japanese games. Fish's exact words were "Your games just suck," as in the collective "your." In the context of modern games, Fish's message was "Modern Japanese games just suck." He clarified exactly this on Twitter following the Q&A. ([URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-07-fez-creator-phil-fish-declares-modern-japanese-games-just-suck"]sourced from Eurogamer[/URL]) [quote] "At tonight's IGTM Q&A, some Japanese guy asked us what we thought of modern Japanese games, and I said I thought they sucked," he wrote. "So I guess I'm some kind of big racist now. "I'm sorry Japanese guy! I was a bit rough, but your country's games are f*** terrible nowadays." Then: "Well, you know, not ALL of them. Just... a lot of them." He then rejected the suggestion that he had made a blanket statement about Japan. "No I didn't. I made a statement about modern Japanese games. Not the country, not the culture." [/quote] "Your games just suck" is an absolutely poor choice of words, ripe for quoting out of context, but in the context of the Q&A it was not at all intended to be an insult. Fish even reached out to Goto afterwards with a [URL="https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/177940063664082944"]sincere apology[/URL]. [quote]@SquashSesame im very sorry i was so rude to you in my answer. i hope the rest of your GDC was more enjoyable.[/quote] As for Goto, the Japanese developer who asked about Fish's opinion on modern Japanese games? He holds no bad feelings about the exchange. In fact, he took [URL="http://kotaku.com/5989862/japanese-games-just-suck-target-has-a-message-for-phil-fish-thank-you/all"]something great[/URL] from it: [B]Motivation to work harder and develop better games.[/B] Hell, as a follow-up to the Q&A "debacle," you should see [URL="http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/16447/article/japanese-dev-reacts-to-phil-fish-leaving-gaming/"]Goto's reaction to Fish cancelling Fez II[/URL]. The man outright tried his best to encourage Fish not to leave game dev, commending Fish on his game and its success, telling Fish that he was an inspiration to him, and [I]invited him out for drinks[/I]. So if a man like Makoto Goto can take something so very positive out of Fish's blunt Q&A answer, and be openly supportive of Fish's games and endeavors after the fact, then [I]what on earth is the problem?[/I]
[QUOTE=Hideous;44420577]Nobody's perfect, honestly. He's still a human being.[/QUOTE] Alright Fishy may have my sympathy, but just because he's a human being doesn't mean he didn't fuck up. You can still do wrong even if you didn't mean to do it.
because fish being a dick directly affects the quality of his games
[QUOTE=Mr.95;44423170]That literally sounds like something a developer would make with as3sfxr if they didn't feel like actually spending time on their music[/QUOTE] You really don't know much about game development or music production do you? [editline]a[/editline] Actually holy shit you're still parroting that best gamers video. Have an actual argument that's your own and not misrepresented information from some youtube channel that exists to rile people up?
Fez 2 already (joking or not) and no Café yet? This is a sick world we live in.
[QUOTE=artDecor;44425960]because fish being a dick directly affects the quality of his games[/QUOTE] I think everybody's been saying that the game is good but that's no excuse for fish the problem with whether he actually starts up fez II is that he'll be [i]starting the project[/i] after having gone off the edge and thrown the biggest pissfit of the gaming industry. He's unstable and has lost any semblance of trust that he wouldn't throw away time and money halfway through a new project. I'm kind of guessing that, much like notch 'cancelling' his nonexistent oculus support for minecraft, fish didn't have the drive to actually pick up and get moving on his new project and decided to use that podcast as an excuse to burn bridges with thermite. May be few other ways to just walk away from the responsibility and expectations people built up after its announcement
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;44425668][I]This isn't what happened, get your story straight[/I]. There was a Q&A after the screening of Indie Game The Movie, and a Japanese audience member (who happened to be a developer, Makoto Goto aka [URL="https://twitter.com/SquashSesame"]@SquashSesame[/URL]) asked what Phil Fish thought of [U]modern[/U] Japanese games. Fish's exact words were "Your games just suck," as in the collective "your." In the context of modern games, Fish's message was "Modern Japanese games just suck." He clarified exactly this on Twitter following the Q&A. ([URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-07-fez-creator-phil-fish-declares-modern-japanese-games-just-suck"]sourced from Eurogamer[/URL]) "Your games just suck" is an absolutely poor choice of words, ripe for quoting out of context, but in the context of the Q&A it was not at all intended to be an insult. Fish even reached out to Goto afterwards with a [URL="https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/177940063664082944"]sincere apology[/URL]. As for Goto, the Japanese developer who asked about Fish's opinion on modern Japanese games? He holds no bad feelings about the exchange. In fact, he took [URL="http://kotaku.com/5989862/japanese-games-just-suck-target-has-a-message-for-phil-fish-thank-you/all"]something great[/URL] from it: [B]Motivation to work harder and develop better games.[/B] Hell, as a follow-up to the Q&A "debacle," you should see [URL="http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/16447/article/japanese-dev-reacts-to-phil-fish-leaving-gaming/"]Goto's reaction to Fish cancelling Fez II[/URL]. The man outright tried his best to encourage Fish not to leave game dev, commending Fish on his game and its success, telling Fish that he was an inspiration to him, and [I]invited him out for drinks[/I]. So if a man like Makoto Goto can take something so very positive out of Fish's blunt Q&A answer, and be openly supportive of Fish's games and endeavors after the fact, then [I]what on earth is the problem?[/I][/QUOTE] I may be wrong here, but didn't he also make some racist statements about Japanese platformers, written in "Engrish"? I remember hearing about that, but I can't seem to find anything.
you know you're doing great when a project you announce is an april fool's joke
Wait, there's people out there that [I]don't[/I] think he's a dick?
Fucking hell how can you people hold [i]so much vitriol[/i] for one person.
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;44427155]Fucking hell how can you people hold [I]so much vitriol[/I] for one person.[/QUOTE] Simple, you publicly make a first impression that you're a terrible human being and then people will hate and criticise you forever.
[QUOTE=Mr.Cookie;44427229]Simple, you publicly make a first impression that you're a terrible human being and then people will hate and criticise you forever.[/QUOTE] Not even just a first impression. He consistently made it clear that he was a manchild who couldn't take criticism.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;44420955]Okay, someone please explain this to me. Fez received critical acclaim and I loved it. But after Phil Fish's meltdown, you're all saying it was a shit game and don't want a sequel? I'm legitimately confused here. Moreover, why are you people so against it coming out? How would it affect you if it came out? Couldn't you just... not play it? I understand people hate Phil Fish, but that's not really a reason to hate a game just because he was part of it.[/QUOTE] I never played it but I remember people liking it before drama went down, I don't get this too.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44426628]I may be wrong here, but didn't he also make some racist statements about Japanese platformers, written in "Engrish"? I remember hearing about that, but I can't seem to find anything.[/QUOTE] Due to Fish's unfortunate reputation of speaking brashly without holding any punches, anything he's said has been widely documented through an abundance of articles on a variety of websites. This also makes it very easy to fact-check rumors and misinformation. Case in point: What you're describing didn't happen, [I]but[/I] there's the tiniest, miniscule fraction of truth to it. It's just horribly mangled due to misinformation. The story comes from [URL="http://northcountrynotes.org/jason-rohrer/arthouseGames/seedBlogs.php?action=display_post&post_id=jcr13_1196041006_0&show_author=1&show_date=1"]an interview on Arthouse Games[/URL] from 2007 (!), fourth question: [quote][Jason Rohrer]: Throughout the first level of Fez, much of the text is presented in a kind of broken English style. This style is even evident in the game's slogan, "Please let's get awesome! For enjoy." What inspired that writing style, and how do you see it fitting into the style of your game? [Phil Fish]: Engrish is funny. That's what inspired it. I think [I]funny[/I] is one of the best thing anything can be. Unfunny people suck, and aren't funny at all. So I knew I wanted [I]Fez[/I] to be at least a little bit funny, maybe not laugh out loud funny, but at least charming and quirky. And I think broken English is funny. You can have your characters say the dumbest, most obscene things you want, but with Engrish, they keep a certain air of naiveness and innocence to them. Like they don't realize what they're saying. It's cute. And as a francophone working in an anglophone business, hanging out with anglophone people (I'm the only frenchie in Kokoromi), I'm often guilty of mangling some words myself. It's also a nod to all the horribly translated Japanese games I played as a kid. These things stay with you. You can't forget a [I]master of unlocking[/I], a [I]I am error[/I] or a [I]WEINER![/I]. [snipped for relevancy][/quote] Long story short, Phil Fish thinks broken English is funny and cute, and it's a small nod to bad translations in old games. That's it, that's the whole story, no racism, no nothing.
In other news Mikfoz wants to be Moderator again
Fez 2: Prepare to choke edition
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;44422409]are you seriously comparing a genocide to video games right now are you seriously doing this[/QUOTE] No, I'm not. I'm just saying that Hitler was a human too. Does that mean he did nothing wrong? I'm just using Hitler as an example of a person that did a rather shitty thing.
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