ApolloLegend may be caught in legal dispute after recording Billy Mitchell & co.
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You're totally right, but with the degree of desperation and flat-out insanity we've seen so far, it'd be pretty in-line with current Team Billy shenanigans lol.
nobody else has been talking about king of kong 2 this entire time outside the announcement they made about a month ago, including any of the top DK's champs right now, so yea it really seems like it's probably just gonna be focused on Billy again. And seeing as how Seth Gordon, the guy that made King of Kong, is knee-deep in another film entirely and has yet to make any announcement himself, it seems even more likely they're just making a sequel all by themselves lol. Documentary's don't need an absurd amount of pre-production time like a typical hollywood flick, they can pretty march start right after or even before they're announced. We'll see what happens but at the same time I also wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens at all.
I just discovered this thread and had a real blast reading it, but I'm really dissapointed that 24 days after the OP was posted this dynasty is not over yet. I personally had the impression that Billy was a proper cunt after watching King of Kong so I can't wait for all this blueball stalling to be over with and a final verdict to be delivered
hell, it was February 2nd that it was first discovered and shown that the transition frames are MAME transitions, so it's been running for much longer than just 24 days fucking hell. but on the bright side you're jumping in on probably the last 24 hours of this shitshow.
TG should really rebrand itself at this point. The name isn’t worth dirt to me after all this. Sure they’re attempting to right wrongs now with the Billy and Todd investigations but what was going on was pretty systemic.
running late as usual, but here's the world's least surprising spoiler for whats to come
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the question of how Carlos will spin it tho remains to be seen
This entire debacle is utterly absurd.
annnnd here it is
https://i.imgur.com/fbmg1WE.png
boy he has an awkward way of phrasing things, and he doesn't even seem to finish his thought on that bit about if tweaked MAME matches Billy's recordings and instead just switches to talking about the authentic arcade hardware, but whatever the final conclusion is clear enough: Ultimately, he agrees with TG that the footage on billy's two tapes were not generated from a genuine Nintendo donkey PCB. Nothing new is brought up, nothing new is suggested for further investigation. He avoids straight up saying "It's MAME" and instead just say "it's not arcade" but whatever lol. Same end result either way.
so yea, expect a real damn fast verdict tomorrow as soon as Jace gets into the office. Cause yeah this was basically all that was left to wait on annnnd it seems like it's added nothing lol. So then Billy's tech has outed him as well, nice. Tho this may just tie into the upcoming affidavits that Joel promised we'd be seeing. They can still try to spin this as "those aren't Billy's real tapes" but as i've said before, it'd be hopeless.
so i guess things ended with a wimper after all.........
yeah fucking right lol because IN COMES JOEL WEST at the last fucking second, popping into the TG thread and oh god what the fuck and why is it in all bold
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im trying to read it all but this may take me awhile cause this is melting my brain
What a fuckin loony.
OK i managed to read it all
"While I had originally written, with my cites and instances, 14 pages of information showing the misuse of the Dispute System within the membership system of Twin Galaxies PLUS the fact that there were over 30 instances of improper and discriminatory application … I decided the average reader would not read the 14 pages, nor care to understand its legal applications of which I could have easily added 4-5 more. PLUS, there is no need to give the opposition info that they should know andshould have researched themselves. I do not work for them and there is no future in aiding the competition. So I decided to shorten the post. Besides, why show them what they will possibly be up against in court?"
"* This is the same Dwayne Richard who reportedly said to several different people, whom WILL TESTIFY in court, that Dwayne ask their help in pulling a “fast one” on Billy Mitchell with a “MAME fake” as early as 2009. "
"6. Jace has allowed the TG Mob to froth hate, defame Billy (as well as others of Team Billy) and do little to nothing to stop it. One can tell by Jace’s post as of late that he has been legally advised as how to write and appear vague, pseudo-fair and to appear not responsible for the hateful, defaming actions of others. That will have to be decided in court."
"Don’t just be a “businessman” Jace, be a MAN, and treat others like you would want to be treated. Keep this out of the court system, because that IS where this is headed. "
PFFFT they're gonna SUE lmao. god damn fuckin get outta here holy shit. it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous
if you want a tl;dr: he completely ignores everything that's happened regarding the 1.04 and 1.05 scores, and instead goes on a full blown nutter rant about how because they don't have the tape for the 1.06 score that this is all without any merit or any evidence (oh god). I'd ask if he's been paying attention in the slightest since the goal here is to establish a trend of cheating by examing Billy's previous scores since they DO have those tapes, but who am i kidding.
fuck it tho lets dig in a bit:
he makes a point about TG not making enough of an effort to gather up all the score tapes that are spread out across the US, which really only happened because pre-Jace TG was a shitshow that made no effort to be organized, and he then backs up this point by saying he has a tape at his house as well that Jace-TG has yet to claim... uhhh how about you just turn it over to them then instead of complaining about the fact it's not just magically teleporting away from you??
"TG also fails in its fiduciary responsibility to those whose scores it oversees (namely Bill Mitchell) and TG also fails in simple good common sense … to accept copies of tapes from a well-documented frothing hater of Billy Mitchell, Dwayne Richard. Richard has made a movie about Billy Mitchell, made phone and email threats to Billy, Billy’s family, and to Billy’s wife’s work. Dwayne Richard has been used by Jace Hall in the past when Jace was contemplating joining in with Jordan Adler of Denver in a competing “Kong-Off style event” several years ago. From the words of Dwayne’s own mouth “Jace gave me $500 to get out to Pittsburgh to check this out for him”. Collusion? "
ahaha oh god. forget about the trump+russia collusion, this is the REAL shit right here. he again rants about how the tapes can't be trusted because they came from Dwayne... but this AGAIN is proven to be completely irrelevant. They've compared the tapes FRAME BY FRAME to what was shown in King of Kong -AND- to DVD's given to other TG employees. Fucking hell man.
"While the technical aspects are not my speciality: "
hey i can agree with this at least
"1. I can look in someone eyes whom I known for 35 years and discern the truth or a lie. "
well fuck me who needs evidence when we've got Joel "Human Lie Detector" West on the scene!
"3. I know that while Jace has all appearances of an honorable man, and has never done me personally wrong … like all dedicated and great gamers, he has an ego. That ego does not like to admit it is wrong. "
hey that sounds familiar...
"5. As far as the technical aspects, as more and more items were disproved by Carlos and David Race of Team Billy, then intelligently explained away … "
did he even read Carlos' findings?????
"7. I propose to Jace Hall (TG) to SUSPEND this dispute now and do the following:
A. STOP allowing the persecution of the MOST Famous Classic Gamer in History (one of the TWO individuals who made your company, TG, SO valuable) … issue an apology to Billy AND his family PLUS direct your thread members to do likewise,
B. Get Dwayne Richard and Billy Mitchell in one location and get a certified independent polygraph operator to ask questions of BOTH while on camera and judge their answers. If you so desire, you could request Rob (board swap) Childs, Wes Copeland or anyone else you see as pertinent to this situation to have an invitation to be polygraphed.
C. Prepare to negotiate a financial settlement if Billy is shown telling the truth OR if Dwayne is shown to have perpetrated this hoax. "
ahahah what the fuck is he smoking
these people are NUTS. guess this drama isn't ending soon after all
Thankfully nobody is at all intimidated by his shit post.
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you'd have to be as batshit as joel to consider any of his rubbish worth taking seriously. christ though, what a finale after what seemed like a boring result from Carlos who actually ending up agreeing with TG.
one more day of this goofy thread and then that's gonna be the end of it for probably a long time. what a shame.
Joel is getting bloody crucified in the TG thread and it's glorious. Was worth the delay just to that train wreck of a post.
It was so bad it almost got me to post on TG a call Joel a deluded moron but luckily I don't have the "cred" to post. Dodged a bullet there.
looking at his TG profile, it says he's still online and browsing. god I hope he's really taking in all this replies. I'd speculate if he was gonna post again but seeing as how there's probably only <24 hours left of this thread, I don't think it'd be enough time for his fucking long-winded ass to type up another fucking dissertation about what a meanie Jace and Dwayne really are lmao
"While I had originally written, with my cites and instances, 14 pages of information showing the misuse of the Dispute System within the membership system of Twin Galaxies"
imagine spending this much effort to defend a blatant cheater
Maybe they're defending him so much because if he's outed as a cheater his head will explode like it did in Regular Show.
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god damn this thread is just hilarious now.
and right on cue, who should show up next??? none other than the ~criminal master-mind~ himself, Dwayne Richards. And what's his rebuttal to Joel's tirade??
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on fuckin point.
That fake Complaint is fucking gold "Arguments 1. Billy is a cool guy 2. Dwayne is not a cool guy 3. The internet is mean to Billy"
god the way he keeps swapping out nicknames for Billy as it goes on fucking kills me. "Hot Sauce Hawker" jfc. And the fact Joels forum account was active and browsing when that post went up, meaning he most likely saw it, just makes it even funnier. How the fuck did he even churn this out so god damn quickly?? forget attorney, the guys an absolute wizard.
it's almost disappointing that i don't think even the verdict tomorrow is gonna top this in terms of entertainment. We already know what's coming tomorrow, but this shit was just totally out of left-field. We've peaked.
someone on the DK forum was nice enough to color-code Joel's magical rant, so you can get an easy idea of what it all consisted of without having to suffer through reading it
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god what absolute rubbish, and a spectacular waste of Joel's time too, lol.
that, or just that this thread has become funny as shit as everyone is now chiming in to take a jab at billy
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christ, that King of Kong reference lmao
Didn't notice the slash at first and was like, "Billy Joel is a part of this now!?"
This is just fucking incredible
Why do these idiots keep digging? He should have given up immediately, you can't fool the internet of nerds.
Nothing proves the legitimacy of a run more than a big wall of bold text that says "no the run is legitimate guys I swear"
How the fuck did Joel get to be a paralegal and not have the slightest clue what "fiduciary" means? The closest I've come to being a lawyer is studying for the Magic: The Gathering judge exam*, and even I seem to have a better grasp of the term than Joel.
A fiduciary is essentially someone trusted to act on your behalf, and the high standards that person is held to. Core among them is that there cannot be conflict of interest between the principal and the fiduciary - while acting on the principal's behalf, the fiduciary must act in the best interests of the principal even to the exclusion of the best interests of the fiduciary.
You see this most often with agents and brokers. If I hire someone to manage my investments for me**, they have to invest my money in the best way for me. They can't invest my money in ways that benefit them - they can't invest in companies they own, or would benefit from.
What Joel is implicitly arguing is that Twin Galaxies's primary reason for existence is to boost the popularity and prestige of recordholders. By that logic, TG is not only obligated not to investigate claims of fraud, they're obligated to reject competing records. If I*** sat down, right now, on an original DK board and laid down a score of 1.3 million, absolutely legit, with direct feed recording, three cameras and a fucking notary public witnessing, Joel is arguing that TG is ethically and legally required to reject my record claim because it is not in Billy's best interests for me to have a higher record recognized.
This is patently absurd. Absolutely insane. Followed to its logical conclusion, it would not allow TG to recognize records from more than one person - as a fiduciary you also can't have conflict of interest between multiple principals.
But it seems somewhat telling that Joel is apparently treating TG purely as a PR firm, not as a records authority.
* The rulebook is over two hundred pages, and that's not including tournament rules or individual card rulings
** Trump apparently changed some shit so (certain?) investment managers are no longer defined as fiduciaries but like fuck that's going to stand for long
*** I have never even beaten the second level of the original Donkey Kong
i mean yeah that is pretty much exactly what pre-Jace TG on Billy's behalf/under Billy's orders tried to get away with time and time again lmao (that one early Wiebe score they allegedly repressed, that other Wiebe score they tossed out over 'gummy subtance', all the insane Todd Rogers' scores they allowed to stay etc). Really it's no wonder that Joel is so confused now that Jace-TG is suddenly operating with an ounce of integrity instead of just doing whatever will make Billy or Todd Rogers happy.
weeeeelp, despite swearing he was done with the thread and that he was just gonna sit on his facebook and post stuff there, christianpacman has again showed up in the TG dispute. It's about 5 pages of pure nuttiness and I'm not about to read this shit, so if you're really interested in seeing the spectacular extent of mental gymnastics that Billy supporters are pulling right now to convince themselves they're still in the right, feel free to feast your eyes on post #3083 right here
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=963593&viewfull=1#post963593
once again, ~these people are nuts~
The ride never fucking ends with these nutters.
not surprisingly, I totally missed some stuff in the sea of Joel mockery:
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(the first link in that quote is to the email from Joel that Jace posted, wherein Joel politely requested more time so he could present his evidence about Billy actually being innocent, only to instead do no such thing and just deliver an embarrassing legal threat aimed at basically the world)
so what's the significance of "Denton Texas" along side the status of "Filing Papers" you ask??
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so basically it seems to be his passive-aggressive way of saying he's intending to sue ex-TG employee FBX as well after FBX started laughing at his dumb legal tirade. What a fucking man-child lmao. I'll be amazed if he really does go through with any of this.
of course there's still the lingering question of just how much of what Joel said Billy is actually in agreement with (or even aware of), since that'd be a good indication of if this really is gonna go before the court or if Joel's just a yelling out of pure desperation. But apparently Billy's being unusually quiet on this latest shitstorm
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still no reply nearly 24 hours later, either, but I imagine we'll find out soon enough just what Billy is planning once twin galaxy renders its verdict TODAY (god i'm tired of saying that. just fucking get on with it already...)
HEY remember what this thread used to be about??? me neither. But hey here's an Apollo_Legend update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNQZ8ZVRBss
it's short and not as informative as you might hope, and also just an explanation of some twitter DM's he sent and not an actual interview, but it does contain some of his Billy footage and makes a few important fact:
-There was NO secret recording equipment. He was very open about all his stuff so there shouldn't have been any issue
-There is NO filed lawsuit currently.
-There IS a threat made against apollo concerning a possible lawsuit, presumably over his visit (probably from Joel again lol...)
-Apollo has sought legal advice and been assured the claims made against him are 100% without merit
no word tho on why he's still silent or when he might be coming back. But hey at least it's something
Why do they suck Billy's dick so hard. What is in it for them?
if I had to guess, I'd say it's getting to say you're ~best buds~ with the MOST FAMOUS retro gamer EVER, and also getting to avoid having to say you got conned by a total fucking loser and have been wasting your time and ultimately life by palling around with him.
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