ApolloLegend may be caught in legal dispute after recording Billy Mitchell & co.
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glad apollo's okay at least
Ok, so there should be a decision by tonight with an announcement most likely tomorrow? I wanna be optimistic but we're like 20 days on from "10 more days" deadline.
and the decision is finally UP
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800/page326
"Based on the complete body of evidence presented in this official dispute thread, Twin Galaxies administrative staff has unanimously decided to remove all of Billy Mitchell�s� scores as well as ban him from participating in our competitive leaderboards.
We have notified Guinness World Records of our decision."
he's officially been Todd Rogers'd
they then go on to state the obvious about what the dispute was about, how he clearly wasn't play on arcade, how three groups all arrived at the same conclusion. He then goes on to the specific findings:
- The taped Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong "tape"), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score) that were historically used by Twin Galaxies to substantiate those scores and place them in the database were not produced by the direct feed output of an original unmodified Donkey Kong Arcade PCB.
- The 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) Donkey Kong performance does not have enough of a body of direct evidence for Twin Galaxies to feel comfortable to make a definitive determination on at this time.
meh. you can see a MAME transition, but it is horrendous quality and whatever Billy still got a full ban in the end regardless.
- The 1047 and 1050 score performance videos we have in our possession (and are basing our determinations on) are in fact the performances that were used by previous Twin Galaxies administration as justification for those scores to be entered into the database and for Twin Galaxies to attribute those specific accomplishments to Billy Mitchell. We have several different and unique sources of these performances and access to private historical Twin Galaxies referee e-mail distribution records showing where these sources acquired their copies and what the purpose was.
- Of significant note is that it is very straightforward for anyone to check the authenticity of the 1047 performance source tape by just cross-referencing the digital capture video of the performance that has been posted in this dispute thread with the very public �King of Kong� movie gameplay footage along with its DVD extras.
- While we know for certain that an unmodified original DK arcade PCB did not output the display seen in the videotaped score performances, we cannot definitively conclude that what is on the tapes is MAME.
- To definitively conclude that MAME was used, Twin Galaxies would need to comprehensively rule out the possibility of all other methods that could produce what is seen on the tapes. This would mean testing all other emulators other than MAME across all other platforms to eliminate the possibility that a different emu was used. It would also mean testing visual effects software and anything else we can think of to be definitively certain. This kind of testing is beyond the scope of the dispute case needs.
this just seems like splitting hairs at this point lol. but whatever, all the matters is it wasn't arcade and the dude is banned.
With this ruling Twin Galaxies can no longer recognize Billy Mitchell as the 1st million point Donkey Kong record holder. According to our findings, Steve Wiebe would be the official 1st million point record holder.
eat a dick, Billy Mitchell
so what happens next??? idk. it comes down to if Billy really does sue or not. Unfortunately, when TG renders their decision, the discussion thread gets locked, so I don't really have any easy way to follow that. But hey if TG really does get sued news will probably spread fast, so we'll see what happens. Otherwise, this is probably gonna be the last update for awhile until Apollo resurfaces again. gg
thank you for all the work updating the thread postal, i doubt i'm the only one who appreciated it
fucking good end
I concur, this has been quite the ride. Part of me believes Billy is gonna litigate but the chances of that going anywhere is close to nil.
Dream of the MAME finger, Billy.
Nice news for the Hot Sauce Hawker to wake up to.
o boy the news has been out for only a couple hours and already the big name publications are starting to pick up the story now. Billy and Co.'s quest to spread misinformation about this topic via live streams can't fukin compete with this.
Variety Magazine: Famed Donkey Kong Player Stripped of High Scores, Banned From Co..
shout-outs to this delightfully JPEG'd and now very fitting pic
https://i.imgur.com/bMHMmQ3.jpg
About fucking time.
no word tho on why he's still silent or when he might be coming back. But hey at least it's something
I'm thinking he just decided to play it safe and not say anything about it until running it past legal counsel.
finally, justice for steve
Thanks a ton for keeping us update with everything happening inside TG forums. My favourite part was that mock of legal document, and how absurd everything was from the get-go.
I'm sure Billy will try his damn best to spin the story to his side, or at least lessen the impact to his reputation, but I'm sure he's gonna fail at this, too. On the other side, I'm happy for Steve Wiebe. He's now the true DK King, and has a ton of ground and reputation to recover/gain.
Can we get any update on what I can only imagine is *autistic screeching* from the old hardcore Billy defenders? I'll have a look through the thread myself when I have the time, but I'm sure it's something to behold.
at this point that's really just triforce and Joel west. Triforce's reactions would be on his youtube channel but I really don't want to give that loon any attention. Joel's reactions people have seen on his facebook, but I can't even find that myself lol. It's probably private. So yea there's not really anyone else. Everyone in the TG thread was in perfect agreement, amazingly. Even people that admitted they once or even still do consider Billy a friend.
also this story is on the top of reddit atm (tho with the source being from r/movies, heh)
https://i.imgur.com/3eF562O.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/8bqi8u/king_of_kong_star_stripped_of_high_scores_banned/
and holy shit is it really spreading
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/king-of-kongs-billy-mitchell-banned-from-competitive-gaming.html?mid=googlenews
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-king-of-kong-star-billy-mitchell-20180412-story.html
https://www.cnet.com/news/donkey-kong-ace-stripped-of-standing/
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/premiere-game-scoreboard-bans-billy-mitchell-in-donkey-kong-cheating-scandal/
and even https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6037183/donkey-kong-billy-mitchell-cheat-arcade-emulator-fake/
yea Billy can't keep with word of mouth like this lol. All that really remains to be seen is wtf is going on with this supposed "king of kong 2". Even then tho they can't hope to spin this. TG was pretty fuckin resolute with its reasoning for Billy's banning.
someone on reddit said they had 'confirmation' that Billy's guinness record would be removed, but so far it's still up so idk. We'll see.
i am honestly glad Billy is dead.
Holy hell, I almost forgot about this until I saw the thread on Reddit this morning. What a bonkers ride this has been, it's so much fun reading through the thread and catching up.
I think that attorney's writeup is one of the funniest things I've seen on the internet.
Triforce is such a hack, its amazing he's somehow retaining some kind of legitimacy with some people after fucking over so many others not too long ago. I know he's gotten noticed by a few Nintendo people (notably Sakurai most recently) and thinks he hot shit because of it.
Yeah no kidding. He’s fucking awful and it boggles my mind that anyone watches his stuff legitamitly.
That being said tho, I’m still curious about this interview he’s doing with Billy soon. After having followed this dispute since it’s inception, I don’t think I can stomach listening to two drooling idiots lie about the entire dispute for however long they end up talking. But if someone wants to be a hero and watch/skim it and give a quick summary, mainly in regards to if he gives any hints as to if he’s gonna sue everyone or not, u will be my hero.
And also i also I will give you ONE WHOLE DIAMOND holy SHIT
I like how he actually Pinned the only comment that supports Billy on top of the comment section. The comments under that pin, however...
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110070/e9ecf183-d65e-4851-aedb-68ecf14abe89/triforce.PNG
Best part is Tipster is calling him out on his bullshit in the comments.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58263/3ebf3639-4a6f-4bc3-9167-626ad6714990/Capture.PNG
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58263/29b126b9-f060-4bc8-a116-2cdc80a5592c/Capture2.PNG
oh my god it's been deleted. Billy has officially lost his record for his perfect pac-man game because of this shit. Wow I really did not say this coming but holy shit he's gonna be so fucking mad lmao.
For reference, this is what the page used to show:
https://i.imgur.com/uV4zzXI.png
fucking SUCK IT
I was expecting and would had be already happy seeing him lose his DK records to give Steve Wiebe the title he deserves, but seeing Billy's entire empire crumble, especially considering how arrogant and smug he is all the time, is just so satisfying.
Holy shit, dude got absolutely destroyed. I don't know if he was planning to take legal action after TG posted the verdict, but I'm pretty sure he's gonna try to sue for defamation now.
Guinness has issued a statement of sorts on the Billy Mitchell shit
https://kotaku.com/after-donkey-kong-controversy-guinness-removes-all-of-1825240701
“The Guinness World Records titles relating to Mr. Mitchell’s highest scores on Donkey Kong have all been disqualified due to Twin Galaxies being our source of verification for these achievements,” a representative of Guinness told Kotaku via email. Mitchell did not return request for comment.Guinness continued, “We also recognize records for First perfect score on Pac-Man and Highest score on Pac-Man. Twin Galaxies was the original source of verification for these record titles and in line with their decision to remove all of Mr. Mitchell’s records from their system, we have disqualified Mr. Mitchell as the holder of these two records. Guinness World Records will look to update and find the appropriate holder of these records in the next few days."
beautiful. the only thing that could make this better is if Namco Bandai retracts it's title of "Gamer of the century" for Billy, but I mean it's not like that title really means anything anyways besides being something Billy loves to brag over, so I'm not holding my breath that they'll give a shit.
i find it absolutely hilarious how adam sandler's pixels made fun of billy mitchell and called the character based off him a cheater in pacman before this stuff started happening
https://youtu.be/jNF1p6KVeQ4?t=158
Great summary of the dispute ... what a wild ride this has been.
I pray for Apollo every night. Not as hard anymore, since the most recent info on him seemed promising, but still. I yearn for a video from him on this whole thing.
it's even funnier when you consider Regular Show did the exact same thing. Both instances had their Billy parody character revealed to be a cheater at the end. And now it's really happened lol. Fucking unreal.
O shit it's Wes. Thanks man, glad you approve <3333
also, for those that don't know who Wes Copeland is, he's the current owner of the 2nd highest DK score, and has been going back and forth between #1 and #2 for years now
https://i.imgur.com/TK6zomD.png
So...what you're saying is Adam Sandler is a precog AND a hack fraud at the same time? Fuck.
It's good they finally came to a conclusion, and pretty satisfying to see him lose the GWR too. It makes me wonder how many of the old guard hold records that aren't genuine because the methods of detecting cheats weren't refined enough when they first set some of the long standing records.
My theory is that Adam Sandler is actually super self aware and fully understands what he's doing, and just chooses to pander to the lowest common denominator.
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