• Video console death: US boy, 9, 'kills sister, 13, over controller'
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They will totally ignore that kids\anybody will fight for over ANYTHING. That's really sad this happened but i'm quite upset on how careless they left the gun.
They tried that in Brazil and your gun crime is 5x higher lmfao
It's also very easy to think of ways this could have been prevented aside from confiscating all guns from everyone forever.
Topics like these should be discussed in the same vein as tide pods and antifreeze. The parents should not have had anything as potentially dangerous as a firearm in a place where a kid can reach it. I don't know why the discussion always turns to gun control, as if there aren't hundreds or even thousands of households out there where firearms are stored safely and responsibly.
The parents seem to have had the weapon loaded and cocked as well, as I doubt a 9 year old kid with no experience would know how to load and cock a gun otherwise. This is just extremely negligent parenting imo
At least we don't get so many mass shootings. I hear they're like weekly events now over there.
Mass shootings are statistically anomalous and less relevant than stats like intentional homicide (where Brazil experiences ~5x as much as the United States) and almost equal levels of gun crimes despite extraordinary levels of gun control including de facto confiscation.
Not really. They shift the "what is a mass shooting" requirement for sensationalism. And it still doesn't compare to your murder rate so keep trying lol. Let's take a look at Brazil's murder rate, wow you're number 1! Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. Inter.. And here's a source against your "weekly mass shooting" hysteria. https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2016-04-05-at-Tuesday-April-5-1.05-AM.png Sorry, Despite Gun
Brazil is the perfect example of both how banning guns without fixing any of the underlying issues that push people to commit crimes is meaningless in the long run, and also how gun control measures can snowball rapidly when each new rule the government establishes doesn't seem to work.
Considering the state of education and the prison system in the US, that would be like 90% of all of the country that isn't already locked up or with a conviction
This is a great example of one of the reasons (but not the only reason) why guns need to be, at the barest minimum, required to be properly secured at all times. However, while that's true, I've heard convincing arguments as to why that's impossible, namely in how expensive safes are and in the fact that laws requiring proper storage would be literally impossible to enforce. So yeah, not sure about how you would prevent something like this with the second and fourth amendments existing as they are. Mandatory safety classes and licencing that emphasizes proper safe storage practices perhaps? While we can't force proper storage, maybe we can at least educate and emphasize the importance of these practices.
I doubt that bad parenting in the main cause, more likely the kid is just a psychopath.
If a 9 year old kid is able to get access to a fully loaded firearm then the parents were negligent and at the very least partially responsible. If your guns aren't secured in a gun safe (which they absolutely should be) then they should at the very least be out of the reach of your children.
If he's seen it on video games or TV wouldn't especially know what it does
Mine aren't secured in a safe - not only can I not afford a safe that would actually be useful as a safe and contain my firearms, but I don't have room for one. They are in a basic gun cabinet. The difference is everyone who lives in my house and everyone who's allowed near where the firearms are kept knows how to handle them safely. They are kept unloaded, with chamber blocks where possible. If you have guns in the house, regardless of how they're stored, your kids should know basic handling rules and they should definitely understand that a gun isn't something you use to resolve a dispute because death is permanent.
Kids are evil, not stupid. he knew what a gun would do.
I was between 7 and 10, can't remember exactly, when my dad showed me the guns he had, explained why he had them, then told me why I should never ever pick them up. Bear in mind that I had been playing games like Doom and watching movies like Predator when I was even younger than this. I don't think I was a particularly bright child but I still grasped the importance of what he told me. Unfortunately you can't legislate good parenting, and tragedies like this occur.
My personal tactic is to make them available under supervision. Kids get curious. Better they ask to see them and learn about them in a situation that I can control than think it's some big secret they need to find out about while I'm not around.
Is your cabinet at least able to be locked? I understand that not everyone can afford a safe - but at least some way of locking up your guns would be ideal. While educating children on how to properly respect and safely handle firearms is admirable - I don't know if I can say it's entirely sufficient alone. I simply do not think that minors have the responsibility that's required to operate a gun without supervision - and thus should be locked away (or at least have the ammunition locked away) so that things like this don't happen. Often times the problem isn't that people don't know how to operate a firearm which leads to negligent discharge (definitely a problem, don't get me wrong), but that the someone that shouldn't have access to a firearm, like a minor, gets access to one and knowingly discharges it. This is all not to mention the other consequences of not properly securing firearms, like criminals and thieves getting access to them when breaking and entering which leads them to be circulated in the black market, which is a massive problem in the US. In that case, ammunition isn't a factor and what measures that might keep a child out of reach and guaranteed to stop a criminal, someone who I also doubts cares about your precautions.
Brazil has 1 murder every hour or so, how is removing the means of self-defense a plus when shit is worse over there? You seem borderline sheltered.
It used to have a lock on it but at some point the door got closed a little too forcefully and my AR-15's pistol grip broke the glass in the door, so the lock does nothing (not that it was a good lock to begin with; you could easily have forced it with a knife). I haven't been able to find a replacement that fits in the space it currently occupies. I just keep locks on the guns themselves (the ones that can accept them) and keep the ammunition separately stored in ammo cans that kids can't get into. As for thieves; well, as noted, no lock on a gun cabinet will keep a thief out of the guns. Even low end gun safes are easy to get into, that's part of the reason why I haven't bought a cheap one.
I think everyone is ignoring a very important detail here: What game was it?
The people on here who want extreme gun control in the US don't care about that, they just want to look right. That's all they care about. They ignore all the facts and would rather appeal to emotions than do any sensible solutions to it. I hear about shootings every day in Los Angeles, and thankfully I'm in a neighborhood where there aren't any. Nearly every day I hear of "shooting", or a "standoff". Criminals don't follow laws, and when you remove the right to defend yourself, you victimize everyone.
You mean the murder tool that wasn't locked up like they're meant to be, that was left loaded and had no other safety system on it such as a trigger or gun lock? Parents shouldn't have firearms readily accessible to their kids and their kids should be taught in their safe handling. Guns don't kill people, they're inanimate objects. People kill other people with guns because they don't know when or how to use guns properly. The only time your child should [i]ever[/i] be firing a gun is when you're at a range supervising them for sport/recreation or during a home invasion type scenario where the parent is unable to do so for some reason.
Get the kid some therapy and throw his parents in jail for public endangerment LOCK YOUR GUNS, THEY COST LIKE 30 BUCKS OR LESS
Don't even try. People like them just like to laugh at someone instead of actually argue.
The problem I'm seeing here is that you guys are all taking for granted the fact that there's no institutional law or anything in place to require or even encourage proper storage behaviors. How can you expect people to keep their guns properly secured or chastise people who are frustrated with the reckless behavior that leads to incidents like this when there's nothing in place to encourage it/discourage it respectively? It's easy to say that the parents should have been more responsible or that they should have been securing their guns more safely, but when are we going to put our money where our mouth is and start instituting measures that endure that they are doing these things?
Measures like...?
mom said it's my turn to play xbox
We've done this song and dance before, but requiring mandatory licensing that emphasizes proper safety and storage habits without outright requiring things like safes which are expensive and unenforceable. Instituting something similar to what we see for drivers licenses (knowledge tests and practical operation exams) and extending what's required for many states CCW licences to all gun ownership would be what I see as ideal. Mandatory safe storage is a pie in the sky for reasons both I and other users have mentioned relating to the second and fourth amendments (especially the latter, considering I don't particularly believe in the current iteration of the second amendment anyway). I have other ideas for a more comprehensive body of gun control legislation, much of which I derived from your suggestions (which are and have been very good imo), but universal licensing is a great idea that would go a long way imo, not just in dealing with issues intimately related to incidents like these but for many more significant gun ownership problems as well.
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