BREAKING: Shooting reported at Great Mills High School in Maryland - Sensationalist Headlines

The problem i have with teachers carrying, is that it increases the chance for an innocent being shot by accident

Which is the same problem I have and the reason I'm not pro-school carry. Which you would know if you had engaged me properly on the topic.

A lot of people see "teachers carry guns" and automatically assume that Jenny who teaches first grade is getting a Glock. I'd support the idea if they made absolute sure that it's CCL holders and further investigation into who's bringing a firearm into the school is done. In my opinion a teacher who takes the time to get a Concealed Carry and then goes under some schoolboard review would likely be willing to protect his students if anything ever happened.

I haven't engaged with you on teacher carry because i haven't had anything to say against your opinions on it (that I've seen)

Yeah there are risks involved but if they're required to demonstrate competency and responsibility then I think those risks are minimal. The vast majority of people who carry aren't looking to get into a shootout with an active shooter. They carry for defense, and given the situation would either hunker down or evacuate. Personally, if we're addressing drawbacks, I don't want to see teachers being pressured to carry when they don't want to. Even if it's not written into law, I worry that parents would rail against teachers who opt to remain unarmed as failing to ensure the safety of their children. I wouldn't put it past groups like the NRA to push that angle.

This thread isn't titled "Grenadiac Vs. SIRUS Debate to the Death". Please stay on topic of the OP

I guess so, I just see a situation with more people having guns, and it basically just being a shootout. What if the teacher false identifies the shooter? what if the police shoot the teacher?

Well, there's a limit to how much I want to argue this because I'm not in favor of this option, but I think with proper procedure and training we could minimize those risks. Simply put, we could address those what-ifs up front. Teachers should (and probably would) be instructed to evacuate themselves and their students if possible and hunker down in the classroom if not. Once the shooter is apprehended, announce an all-clear over the PA system and the teachers know to stand down. That kind of thing.

I'm getting so tired of monthly school shootings, and the only thing happening on this forum is having the exact same shitty argument literally every thread.

Oh, look, gun debate, yet again. Shame that these keep happening, it should really glue people onto something in school environments and what is going on with youngling's mental health. Any updates on injured, dead or such? Any info on perpetrator yet?

Given the circumstances, I feel like this is about as any reactionary measure could have gone. Officer kills dude, students remain injured but alive. What I hope is that this isn't seen as 'the solution's when more preventative measures can be explored. (And no, I'm not talking about bans)

Oh, a school with a armed cop who isn't a pushover prevented kids from dying? That's crazy, who would've thought.

Further proof that having people who are trained for the job of protecting schools do a good job of it. I hope that nobody uses this to push the "arm teachers" angle.

Is like the people doing this are shooting for a high score or something. Why are these incidents becoming so common?

Copycats, rise of the internet and the culture that goes with it, terrible parents, retarded shit kids, fetal alcohol syndrome, but mostly just terrible parenting.

There's also the amount of bullying and whatnot that goes about in any high school, amplified by 3 or 4 because of easy access to social media to harass others. Shame really.

Highly agree, I never really had to deal with any of that bullshit. I honestly hate social media, I always had a bad feeling about it. It's way more likely to ruin relationships than to make them

I don't know man, columbine spawned a lot of copycats and I don't think its pseudoglorification in the news media helped at all. https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/columbine_1_0.jpg

You're incredibly delusional.

Strict background checks exist and mental health/medical history is included in that. Mandatory licensing is a violation of the BoR's (not gonna argue whether or not you think guns are a right. In the US they are). 99.9% of gun owners use their firearms safely and do not break the law with them. Guns clearly are not the issue. Banning or further regulating guns, needlessly, only treats the symptoms of a problem instead of the actual problem. Thinking a criminal will suddenly follow new laws instead of old ones is naive and foolish. Instead, its better to focus on whats creating criminals and treat it. Maybe the rampant poverty and gang culture has something to do with it.....

Illegal, but worlds easier than smuggling across a border or otherwise finding an illegal dealer, wouldn't you say? After all, "private gun transfers" happen all the time, right? No required witnesses?

This shooting was stopped by an armed resource officer.

Texas has had special police officers dedicated to schools long before school shootings were a thing.

pretty sure anything is better than whats in place, which is pretty much nothing

There are mountains of gun laws on the books. The US has more gun laws than a lot of European countries. Throwing more shit at the wall isn't going to fix anything.

What's really bizarre about it? There are plenty of fine reasons for officers to be at a school, as OvB posted. The number of students in the population of any given county/city's school district(s) is usually fairly large. Trying to have the sheriff's office or city PD cover the day-to-day population out in the real world AND at school often times isn't the best use of the budget or manpower the county or city has allotted. Having a police group with it's own command structure and policies, that is specialized in dealing with children/students and the unique situations that come with that dynamic, familiar with the faculty and teachers as well as the school's policies, the schools themselves and their grounds, the parents, and the particular issues that the schools may face is pretty handy, and hard to achieve unless you dedicate a significant amount of beat cops and detectives to the cause anyway- in which case you basically have way OvB posted, without as defined of a goal, or training. Granted, I'm sure this was just an attempt "DAE that TIL that Amerikka sux rly bad LOL" shitpost in disguise so I wouldn't actually expect you to think about anything like that, but it's worth putting out there just in case, I reckon.

You're not wrong, but at the same time, you spell it out more like a very nice thing to have and less like a necessity, and it's the latter that's bizarre.

The US has had like 40 years or something to do so, and its still trying to wrap its head around a barrel shroud while blaming videogames and bulshit that has nothing to do with it. In the end, nothing will change because the upper US doesn't wants things to change.

I was talking about the guard, in relation to the 4 cops who did bugger-all in Florida.