Police shoot, kill unarmed man holding cellphone in backyard - Sensationalist Headlines

Yup, and people bought it hook line and sinker.

A big part of institutionalized racism is how it effects police officer bias against people. It's not so much as these officers are KKK members as society has implanted in them to be by default suspicious of someone black, no matter how innocent they actually are being in reality. If justice is supposed to be blind America does a piss poor job at it.

Where can I find the helicopter footage? I just watched the bodycam footage but it's really hard to tell anything apart, I can barely even see Clark before they open fire unless I stop the footage at the single somewhat clear frame.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-YU19s4S4 Really comes down to the training and resources available to the agency in question. Most agencies are starting to receive better medical training and equipment, and the notion that cops don't try to save people that they about is largely incorrect.

Again, he wasn't shot for being black. Everyone doesn't run from police, and basically anyone with any amount reason in their mind will probably realize that pointing anything at police after you made the choice to run away is a comically stupid thing to do. Literally every part of him getting shot stemmed from objectively stupid decisions on his part.

The punishment for a cop making a mistake can result in their death, maybe you should try looking at it from both perspectives? But hey you're totally right, leading the police on a chase and then approaching them with your arms outstretched is a "mistake fucking anyone would make"

After seeing both bodycam and the helicopter footage, I'd say the shooting was justified.There just isn't really anything about the raw event that would make it seem like an overreaction or reaction based on bias.

Because they are. You take some training courses, unless you're in a ginormous city or federal district [i]there is no oversight[/i] other generic state "guidelines" you may or may not feel like following, unless of course the DoJ shows up to MAKE you get your shit correct like happened in Albuquerque. (the feds are still there and the city is still technically non-compliant and under probation, btw) The cops here are literally a gang, both city and county with federal arrests for running drug rings and child prostitution to prove it. Until such time as the general populace becomes tired of the bullshit, it will continue. It's literally a cut and dried "it hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't actually exist" phenomenon.

"Hm, how can I show that I am not a threat? Do I put my hands up, the universal signal for surrender? Nah, I will point the object in their direction. and walk toward them."

For sure, I was like "God damn, another police shooting of unarmed people. Lemme' check this. Oh, jumping fences at night, shady af, if you had the helicopter after you, most likely you're a threat."

I dunno, people are saying in the thread that the shooting is justified based on the heli and bodycam footage but after rewatching it, I don't see where he looks like he could be holding a weapon. Can anyone provide any frames of the video where people think the shooting was justified?

1:08 through 1:11 in the above video you can see him approaching the police officers with his arms extended towards them.

if i were in that situation i would drop any thing in my hands and put my hands over my head instead of in front of me i don't know why i have an opinion on any of this shit....makes me look like a dick about something i shouldn't even be talking about....i just think the police backlash has gone too far. To blame police in legit justified shootings, it devalues actual police wrongdoing, and ruins any trust people have in police. I do have a strong opinion on guns though...if guns weren't everywhere here, cops wouldn't think everyone has one. But they have to assume everyone has one. And then this happens.

I see way, WAY more cop defenders on these forums than people actually holding them responsible and accountable. No other country goes to such lengths to defend what could be case of blatant police brutality and disregard for human life. I've seen people having justified that police execution video, you know the one with the man sobbing horribly, drunk and confused? The one where the dude had "Get Fucked" etched on his rifle? The sheer amount of police worship in this country is disgusting when their behavior is horrible. I'd like to remind you that "Get Fucked" guy got off scot free, so we probably aren't being having ENOUGH of an anti-cop sentiment. Overall I'd rather a few "grey" cases like this be judged critically than continue the status quo of letting officers not be accountable for their actions. We should not be afraid of the people who are designated to protect us. I'm a white person so while I don't have to worry *as* much, poc people have a massive distrust for cops for a really, really good reason.

I guess we should post more cop death videos? A situation like this could have easily been a cop shooting, if it was it would have been "shootout with police" and not posted here. There are videos of cops executing handcuffed people and cops beating up kids for no reason. This is what happens in law enforcement sometimes with a world full of guns. It may be be a bad scenario but its what happens with gun proliferation. I am all for going after bad cops. But were these cops in this situation racist??

That's fucked up, regardless of how justified the shooting was in the first place. Also, why would they mute their bodycams when talking with each other if they had nothing to hide?

Again, don't run from cops, and don't point things that look like guns at cops, and your chances of getting shot go down a very large amount. This changes no matter how much melanin you're in possession of. It's not a case of racism or a hate crime on the polices part every time a black dude gets shot. Sometimes they just did a very stupid thing- like, you know, exactly what this guy did. TWO very stupid things, in fact. You're 100% out of your mind if you're expecting the police to chance something that looks like a gun not being a gun in the hands of a fleeing suspect for the sake of social justice or reparations or world peace or whatever.

Racism in police shootings isn't "gonna shoot me a darkie today", it's them being influenced by societal views on race to be more willing to use lethal or violent force on suspects that are poc than on someone who isn't. If that was a white person holding the cellphone, they might've not defaulted to "it's a gun" and actually looked at the object he was holding. Racism can be far more subtle than just being a nigger hating Klan member.

That's quite a large "might" I still don't see how sorta maybe possible racism has more to do with this than the fact that the dude was making exclusively shitty decisions when it comes to the way this went down

Its citizens would, its politicians would not.

Where is the bodycam footage? I think you guys are full of shit saying you can see anything useful in 1:08-1:11 of the helicopter video.

You said "good," not "well-trained."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avxbmMkyXo

This is unbelievably sensationalized. The media is trying to portray this at an innocent black man was just having a conversation on his phone in his backyard then the police come out of nowhere and execute him for being black. This guy was reported breaking windows and auto/residential burglary. He fled through the neighborhood and could have stopped at any time and surrendered. Instead, he decides to extend an object out like a gun in the pitch black and the police had no choice to fire. Not to mention he had a long record of felonies, robbery, possession of a firearm, etc. the world did not lose an innocent family man. This has nothing to do with race. I would like to see any of these protesters play the role of the police in this situation, regardless of training; you can't take 5 minutes to examine if he was holding a gun or not. You just don't randomly hold out a phone in that way.

I agree that they don't sound like killers and I understand their position, but I'd still like it if someone could get a screenshot from these videos depicting him holding out the phone. I just don't see it.

they fired 20 times. count to twenty out aloud and you realise how utterly insane that is

Yeah, that's not how that works, like at all.

You should try reddit, everyone there hates cops regardless of the situation. You could open a thread about a cop saving someone's life and there will always be a discussion about how cops kill more people than they save or some bullshit.

You fire and you don't stop until the threat is neutralized, once you understand that you learn how utterly small 20 really is that's just barely both of their magazines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0mCV3vMQ8&feature=youtu.be "Show me your hands!" "Fuck you!" Yeah...