Facebook had plans to ask hospitals for patient data, has been scrapped - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/facebook-building-8-explored-data-sharing-agreement-with-hospitals.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain I didn't like their title so I substituted my own.

Wouldn't mind if the facebook servers exploded and burned to a crisp. Such a despicable company. Damn shame there's no widespread alternative.

Tom is still waiting for you to come back...

Doesn't that technically violate HIPAA?

nah man, he sold that shit for a cool 250 mil in 2005

You know, I think this is the perfect time for a new social network to take over. Almost everyone I know is quitting Facebook over this.

Then Justin Timberlake bought it in 2011, hoping to turn into a music based social network. Then Time bought it in 2016.

He was making a rival to iTunes Ping?

Especially if they're doing it without the patient's consent.

Is there any legal repercussions Facebook can suffer for this? This is pretty criminal, if you ask me.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/jun/30/myspace-internet Wanna know what's cooler than a million dollars?

The bad ideas just won't stop coming

Not to mention email and snail mail. You don't need social media of any sort to 'keep in touch', not with the people that actually matter.

They don't need to have identifiable information like names or SSNs because they have a record of every hospital visit, people's ages, etc. They already have what they need to fill in the blanks

Ignoring the "physically go see them" one here because that's not actually an option or what people want to do sometimes (I just want to send memes dammit), Facebook offers quite a bit over calling and texting thanks to the groups stuff not sucking total dick. Conference calls and group text messaging are a genuinely awful set of experiences. Why the hell should we be reverting to analogue or just genuinely inferior methods of quickly talking to people because Facebook is awful exactly? Other chat platforms do exist, but Facebook is the go to as it's convenient. Convenient services tend to win out against specialised ones. I suppose at the very least Whatsapp is e2e encrypted, so even if Facebook do own it the content of messages should be fine, probably selling that metadata hard though.

Calls and texts are rubbish quality-wise and security-wise are even less confidential than Facebook shit. You have to communicate with people using something they actually use. I use XMPP still but it's just with a couple other pariahs, and it's only going to be with those people because I'd have zero success trying to drag other people into it. Some people will do e-mail ofc, but frankly if someone used snail mail to get in touch with me I'd just wonder why. The program that's the best compromise between secure communication, and being something people actually use would likely be telegram IMO. But as for Facebook, I'm gonna keep using it because it's a pretty convenient way for me to keep up with people, I just greatly limit the data I give it and have trackers disabled via browser plugins.

i love how zuckerbot was actually planning on running for president good fucking luck you alienoid

I would definitely not like my health records shared with anyone other than my practicing GP and any other GPs who I need assistance with a health issue with. Very fucking glad it didn't go ahead

Facebook was in talks with top hospitals and other medical groups as recently as last month about a proposal to share data about the social networks of their most vulnerable patients. The idea was to build profiles of people that included their medical conditions, information that health systems have, as well as social and economic factors gleaned from Facebook. While the data shared would obscure personally identifiable information, such as the patient's name, Facebook proposed using a common computer science technique called "hashing" to match individuals who existed in both sets. Facebook says the data would have been used only for research conducted by the medical community. Yes because I want you to know my mental health diagnoses but also who my friends are while I'm flipping shit in a hospital. Unless you gained consent from the consumer and hospital, you'd get nowhere and they don't need you prodding for even more personal info while you find ways to profit off of it. Of course, I'm more likely to lean on the idea that somewhere in Facebook's TOS is a catch-all clause about information.

I'm sure hospitals would love to get bagged for the massive HIPAA violations this involves. Fuck, just working desktop support for a company that makes scanners I had to go through rudimentary HIPAA training because there was the off chance a machine I could be working on might have information related to healthcare, like if I had to work on a machine for HR.

That was always just a meme

Why though? You want to hop from one voluntary data mining network to another one? If you dont like facebook saving and selling your data, why would you want to use another site that will do the exact same thing? If youre not paying for the product, then youre the product. Dont expect for another free-use social media network to not do the same thing, because youre sure as shit not going to donate to it or turn off adblock when you use it.

there were alternatives but limited to countries per se - VK.ru for example. BTW. what makes you certain that other "alternatives" won't end like FB - data collector that sell it for a buck?

I use VK but then again - I speak Russian and some of my childhood friends from Ukraine are there, average English joe would have no interest there. Tbh if I had my own social network as a startup and government approached me offering a good sum for data collection, I would probably consider it (Yes I am a greedy cunt) I think only person who has billions already - would be able to setup social network without any data mining/collection. (like Elon Musk)

I don't know anyone who doesn't have email or snail mail, so, yah, my points still stand. And, really, so does the other guy's, because I also don't know anyone who doesn't have a phone line.

I mean technically I have skype since microsoft forced it on me too, but that doesn't mean I'm actually using it.

fuck it its time i get off facebook such a shitty site and shitty company kissing china's ass constantly was already pretty fucking annoying and now all these dumb news lately what has happened

A covered entity may disclose PHI to certain parties to facilitate treatment, payment, or health care operations without a patient's express written authorization.[23] Any other disclosures of PHI require the covered entity to obtain written authorization from the individual for the disclosure.[24] In any case, when a covered entity discloses any PHI, it must make a reasonable effort to disclose only the minimum necessary information required to achieve its purpose.[25] Seems clear it does IMO

I work for a medical billing company, we take over collections, billing, demographics etc from basically all of the surrounding clinics and hospitals, and let me tell you, you'd be so surprised at how many of these places actually blatantly disregard HIPAA. This is especially so with clinics who don't typically keep IT (or at least, competent IT) onsite. We just took over a new place and I had to rebuild basically their entire infrastructure. They were using Server 2000 for their MSSQL and AD-DS (with no backup solution which is a problem in itself) and every workstation still had XP. No decent firewall and a Norton sub that expired 4 years ago, and they had a tunnel set up with the neighboring hospital with what I perceived to be unlimited access to each other's EHRs. One audit would have put many people there into a deep hole for a long time.

Facebook's done tons of both morally and legally questionable shit in the past, but with money comes power. Good thing there's a light shining on them now, at least