Furious vigilante films himself tearing down shrine to dead burglar. - Sensationalist Headlines

Ah, here's the sheltered middle class person to come and tell everyone how life REALLY works lmao

These guys are weird. They are like homeless people except coordinated and culturally reinforced to be proud of not belonging anywhere. And they have this peculiar ability to evade law and seemingly not be doing anything illegal while constantly being morally ambiguous and unpredictable. It's kind of puzzling what the solution is to dealing with it. Moving around from place to place by itself is not inherently illegal because lots of people in trailers do it without any negative intent. Living off grid is technically not illegal (I think), and some people also do it without doing anything negative. It's almost like they are these untouchable phantoms that constantly slip through the fingers as soon as someone tries to retaliate when one of them does do something shady. And how the fuck do you crack down on them given their quantities? You would need like a fucking armed military force to truly comprehensively deal with them, because there are not enough cops to keep track of them, and they never push the boundaries far enough to warrant military action, just far enough to be annoying as fuck to regular citizens and ambiguous enough yet never too far to cause an infuriated reaction in large numbers from the integrated populace. So I honestly don't fucking know what the fuck you are supposed to do about them, you could implement some kind of a law that makes it illegal to have a child while living off grid or something? So that way they would either have to make their children integrate or get them fully confiscated? But then they would just make more kids to exploit, so you would also have to chemically castrate them as well, or temporarily sterilize them through a vasectomy until they proved that they settled down. But how the fuck do you keep track of that? they constantly move around. But the measure above would probably make them enraged as fuck and cause rampage upon the populace instead of being relatively docile, which would require military intervention to contain, which eventually would end up resulting in an involuntary Nazi-like genocide attempt in relation to them. So it's a really weird issue, they're basically creating a loophole in civilized societies and are kind of untouchable as a result. The only solutions that would actually work are completely monstrous and inhumane. They're sort of like middle eastern insurgents level of unbeatable except less destructive. Literally the only solution is barbaric genocide, which would be horrific and inconceivable.

I can't pretend to understand a problem that seems to be uniquely European but from what I have seen hundreds of different posters maybe thousands even say over the years I've been on FP, gypsies aren't going to go away with hugs and understanding. They throw rocks at you if you even get close to their camps, they steal from you when you try to help them, they rob you when you aren't looking, and they drain social services without needing them. They have threatened a man and his entire families lives because he defended himself against one of them. They do this knowing that they're getting away with something wrong, they shun education and help and move from place to place not out of tradition but in the same way a man on the run from the law does. The bit about being obligated to protect them is funny when they're the ones attacking people and trashing communities, it's not like europeans are on a search and destroy mission against gypsies, in fact I don't think they're nearly harsh enough on them. FP is a pretty left leaning website and when I see posters from Europe especially saying these people are a nuisance and need to be removed, I seriously doubt it has anything to do with race or tribalism, they're just a fucking menace and their way of life is obsolete and destructive.

That always mixes me up because the pejorative term in my language is so different it always confuses me.

Ironic I'm sure, but what you're proposing is intrinsically similar to the Dawes act which intended to eliminate native American culture entirely as it wasn't "compatible" with American society. I'm a socialist in America. I know about issues with Gypsies in Europe. No integration with society and living off a life of crime isn't the same as the "ghetto" argument you're trying to drone up. Essentially you're saying that a nomadically inclined populace would be "tamed" if only they had education, a place to sleep, and a basic income. Not the case with Gypsies. They'll sell the books, take the wiring for houses, use those houses as their trash bin, then refuse any job opportunities. It's happened more than once in different places in Europe. The only association you can argue for between Gypsies and ghtto culture is crime, when it comes down to it.

I like how you keep pulling these big talks of compassion and treating them as human yet the core issue is that Gypsies don't treat their own kids as human. It's a well known fact that many groups of gypsies utilize children to various extents of legality: they can use them for pity points when begging, or they can teach them to go in stores and steal things because they're more difficult to spot than adults (and absolutely beat the shit out of them if they fail to lift anything). Or they can sell them around like commodity because arranged marriages are still a thing among these communities. The children have to integrate because they are at constant risk of injury, death of worse. It's not too late when they're adults but it's a lot harder to convince someone to integrate when they have lived in the same shitty community for their whole life, be it due to the fact they actually grew into a position of power or because of battered wife syndrome. This is legitimately a case of "think of the children".

We had a gypsy kid enroll in our class, back in 10th grade. Coincidentally, people started losing their wallets and phones. After two weeks, someone broke that kids arms, and he dropped out. Coincidentally, people stopped losing their things.

Maybe thief saw how painful it is to have broken arms so he decided to stop thiefing?

Are you saying a guy who invaded a home to steal shit was not killed in self-defense ?

How was he not killed in self defence Also Trying to lay remembrance of a dude that threatened a dude on the dudes very house is a bit shitty lmao

You can love someone and still know they deserved it. And this guy deserved it.

Not true in my experience, I teach a traveller child and I've dealt with a few more. The parents have been happy to have them in a school and are usually very protective.

You realize we tried that last line once right? I know you mentioned Nazi-style, but the Romani were actually a directly targeted group in the Holocaust.

Why is it that every single time the topic of travelers come up, americans defend them no matter what they do.

I mean he assumed the only people who burgle are criminals, when in reality a lot of burglars are anything but poor. I remember a friend telling me when he was at uni that whenever students would go on the holidays people would go around with thermal imaging stuff to see if people were in the houses and then burgle them later. If you can afford thermal imaging you're clearly not poor. Same goes for a lot of thieves and criminal types, most of them aren't going it to feed their kids, they're doing it because they can and want free stuff. You'd always see those types wandering around with iphones and shit, they clearly weren't that poor.

Yep, that was indeed the case.

Because they don't have the bastards over the pond, if they did, they'd know.

It's a real shame that this guy is now unable to return to his home because of the threat to his life. He defended his home, his belongings and his wife after overpowering a burglar and taking his weapon and using it against him. The force used was entirely proportional to the threat against him. It's unfortunate that the criminal died, and I've no doubt that it wasn't supposed to happen. I'm glad he faces no charges for defending himself, and it seems that his neighbours are in full support of him, as is much of the country. In America if it had been someone that had burgled a house with a gun, and the homeowner had overpowered him and shot the intruder, he likely would be hailed as a hero across the country. Recently where I live we had some travellers appear (a rare sight since you have to get an overnight ferry to get here, and it's a small community where word spreads fast about shady people), and they were hounding people in the streets, turning up on people's private property and were preying on the elderly to have things sold to them, and to try and sell things. It didn't work, and they were gone within a couple of days. A few years back, there was a different group of them that appeared doing shitty driveways, a few people fell for it and paid the price (a shitty driveway that had to be redone within a year by a proper company), but after word spread about them being so shady, they also left. Coincidentally, if you try to read the "tributes" to the thief, you'll find a horrific butchering of the English language. At the end of the day, the guy did the right thing to defend his home, and it's so sad to know that he'll probably never return home. I'd help him out if I could.

I'm not too sure what world you live in but someone invading your home with a bunch of tools is good enough reason to believe your life may be in danger.

If this was in America and the Burglar had been shot he'd be a national hero exercising his rights. This guy broke in with a Screwdriver and engaged an OAP in a fight while clearly brandishing the Screwdriver as some sort of a weapon, what part of that isn't a threat to life?

Well for one, its not in a state. It's in the UK.

When some young thug breaks in and threatens you with a tool i'd say thats a perfectly good reason to do him in He wasn't just sitting there rifling through cupboards

Yes, let me ask the person who broke into my house if he's going to kill me or steal anything, why dont I make him some tea as well.

It'll likely be deemed lawful, he was arrested only while they process investigate, after the trial he'll likely be let off on self defence.

jurisdiction and the laws in his area go hand in hand my man. they can differ country by country, state by state, county by county, etc. and no ones "celebrating his death" lmao stop being so dramatic. is it unfortunate he was killed and is unable to face a court? yes. but he was killed (in self defense/protecting their property, which i believe is correct in this situation), and his family chooses to believe that he was some innocent poor victim that met an untimely end and that the real victim here is somehow the one in the wrong, when he was acting purely in self defense and that the guy was a straight up piece of shit. even better that they want apparently want violent revenge. or that the article says The traveller who knew Vincent told MailOnline: 'I know that Henry Vincent would have killed the pensioner first if he could have got away with it, but they will act like he's the victim in all of this. 'This poor man and his wife won't be safe going back into their own home. Anything could happen.'

If the point doesn't matter why did you bring it up initially and show that you didn't read the article? And where are people celebrating that the dude got killed? At most I see people calling gypsies scumbags. Why does it matter if the dude is young or old in the rebuttal you're trying to sweep away? Why do you ignore the other points that you cannot just sweep under the rugg?

I'm an ignorant american, are gypsy's really that bad? I genuinely don't know :c

Sounds like this dickhead belonged to a bad batch of travelers, normally these threats they make are empty promises but considering the guy died I wouldn't be so certain on it. Had a similar case up north around where I live, two of them broken into a farmers house only to get mauled by the owners dog and a few bones broken with the bat they used to get in with (owner got hold of it and swung at them both). Week later the guys barn was set alight in a case of arson with it being pretty obvious who did it. Thing is soon as that happened they fucked off and moved their camp to another location about 30 miles away. The irony of all this is that the guys who broke in got caught all thanks to local scrap guy who fucking knew them as he was an ex-traveler himself, they couldn't link the arson to them but there was enough evidence to link the break in. I really do hope they just fuck off and don't bother the guy and his family, he doesn't deserve anything from them doing something illegal and paying the price for it.

if they want to make a shrine they should have it where he lived, not across from the fucking home of the person he was burglarizing. and not make threats to the homeowner. people straight up do not want it there She said: 'It is not the place. It was stapled onto the fences of other neighbours who care for Richard. 'It is not nice. No one is in mourning for them here. 'We are a close knit community. The fact they put them there is inappropriate.'

So are we going to conveniently ignore the fact they put the memorial up on the place he was actively burglarizing, that he was a known career criminal, and that the old man and his wife who lived there cannot even go back because of the inherent threat which the traveller community poses to them ? Do you seriously lack the ability to see through the dramatic act of a bunch of disingenuous cunts using the death of a man to lowkey harass another community ? Do you honestly think all the farewell cards are legitimate and totally not lowkey threats ?