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When did individual travelers choose to be born and raised in that culture? Some of them can escape, but how do you not recognize the parallels?

What?

Yeah sorry but when someone's old enough to make their own decisions and they decide to actively stay within a culture built around committing crime and feeling entitled to getting away with it, they can still be held accountable for the shit they pull. Gypsy families can, and are encouraged to, not stick around, but they rarely listen because it is convenient for them to continue down the same path. This is once again why they are so similar to the mafia. Their entire culture is built around dodging accountability.

Headline: Nazi killed after invading home of resident Everyone: "Fuck nazis, those shitstains are scum" You, continuing the logic in this post; I dont really see it as possible for them to "choose" to want this lifestyle when they're born into it. You can punish them and all, but whats the point of such spiteful and hateful beliefs? Seems like a complete failure to empathize tbh

Yeah sorry, no matter how much i hate a group I dont dehumanize them and lose ability to empathize. We arent getting anywhere with this argument, if you dont understand my viewpoint by now you likely never will. Society is still very much full of hateful vengeful toxic people, both travelers and people like you alike.

Nobody in the entire thread said that they couldn't sympathize or empathize with these people, you just chose to ignore literally everything that everybody said for the entire duration of the thread and substituted it with your own reality. Yeah, people are a product of their situation. No arguing that. But they are still responsible for their choices, because free will exists.

Really hard to empathise with a group of people whose mere presence causes crime to skyrocket. Really hard to empathise with a group of people when cars in the surrounding area start getting vandalised Really hard to empathise with a group of people when sheds get routinely broken into and valuables getting burgled Really hard to empathise with a group of people when random assaults and attacks in the street occur on a more regular basis Really hard to empathise with a group of people who steal a friend's dog, light it on fire then kick it to death Really hard to empathise with a group of people who dump that dead dog's body in it's owner's backyard Really hard to empathise with a group of people who manipulate a family relative with learning disabilities into giving them their car, house keys and pension money before bludgeoning their face to an unrecognisable pulp REALLY hard to empathise with a group of people who scam your grandfather out of £6,500 on 'house repairs', then vow to 'be back' when the police are called in REALLY SUPER DUPER EXCEPTIONALLY HARD to empathise with a group of people who cause ALL OF THIS on an almost annual basis in your local area alone just sayin

yeah... im not sure they are another race though (if you're white)? They're just stunted malnourished critters

advancedlamb probably the type of guy who'd get his bike stolen by a gypsy and be bummed out about it, but then think about how that gypsy was more happy to have it than he was sad to lose it, so the total happiness in the world increased

Yeah so were Nazis and neo-nazis and I'm pretty sure you're one of the people who advocated punching or doxxing them.

Self defence/involuntary manslaughter is not the same as threatening death/murder. I'll make the point again: the guy did not deserve to die. He was killed by accident in an act of self defence. It's understandable that the family are upset, but if they were that worried about him getting hurt or killed they should have said something. But given that the majority of income for a lot of travellers (not all, some are decent people) in the UK (not the USA) is from criminal activity, I don't think they really cared. Had he gotten away with the crime, they would have celebrated it. And maybe gone back again to rob some more stuff from him. I don't know how travellers are in the USA but in the UK, pretty much wherever they go will see a rise in crime and there's only one place it's going to have come from.

@advancedlamb POVERTY DOES NOT EXCUSE CRIME Empathy is nothing to do with it, saying that criminals should be "Understood because they're in a bad situation" is extremely degrading to decent people who happen to be poor.

My thoughts: robber was a dumb asshole that doesn't deserve sympathy. However, I'm not going to generalize an entire group of people which many people apparently are doing. Same thing has been done to Muslims and other people in many countries recently and it's just ignorant and disrespectful.

I used to think that but to be honest, recognizing gypsies as a group of horrible assholes is more akin to recognizing that jihadists are inherently harmful to society. Not all Muslims are jihadists and not all Roma are gypsies. It doesn’t really have anything to do with their ethnicity (which is predominantly Roma) but more that those groups of people hold radicalized beliefs which are inherently incompatible with society and the rule of law. It would probably be more accurate to compare them to sovereign citizens though.

You're in the US, you've got no idea what these people are like. You can't generalize a group of people who spend their lives dedicated to staying the same.

This whole situation has devolved into a farce, every day they come back and put up more flowers and every day another guy tears them down and jumps on them and theres a 24/7 media camp there recording everything and the newspapers run daily updates while the police are asking everyone to calm down and fuck off.

Yeah I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but all of the stuff you guys are saying about Gypsies is the same kind of rationalization people use to justify racism. "All the minorities I've ever met are gang members and one time a black guy mugged me so you can't tell me they're good people. I have experience with them, I know what they're like", stuff like that. Just because they're not a race doesn't mean you aren't making a generalized statement that can't possibly apply to all of them equally. No amount of personal experience with a group gives you the ability to speak for all of them. That said, though, choosing to live a life based around lying, cheating and stealing is incredibly shitty, especially if you have no other reason to do it other than just wanting to, but I just have a really hard time believing that every single one of these people is just as bad as the next. I'd be more quick to believe that it's just one part of the group that's responsible for the stigma, and you just don't hear about the rest because they keep to themselves or simply because the media is inherently negative and only reports on people's shitty experiences with them. I'm also certain that not all of them do it because they want to, I'm sure some do, maybe even a lot of them, but all of them? You can't possibly make a statement like that without personally knowing every Gypsy or at least having some very good statistics to back it up. Though I will say that I've only just now been reading about them and I can understand the frustration from what I've read, but I just refuse to believe that they're all basically the worst people ever.

Once again you really don't understand because you don't have any expeirance with them. Every single traveller camp is a problem, every single one of them is a hotbed of crime. There has never been an outcry of support for them, there aren't any major movements supporting them and everywhere they go they cause trouble. Once again Americans have no place commenting on it and comparing it to racism Races are massive and span continents, Travellers span as far as their campsite goes.

I'm not excusing crime, I'm simply saying there's no way they all do it because they want to or chose to do it in the first place. I just find it ridiculous that anyone would think that every single Gypsy chooses to live a life of caravan based crime sprees simply because they're inherently assholes. I'm also not saying you're inherently wrong in disliking them, I'm just saying you all make extremely massive blanket statements without backing them up with anything but personal anecdotes and specific examples that fit the statement. I don't need to have personal experience with them to know that generalized statements like that are almost always incorrect and based mainly off emotional reactions to negative personal experiences. Racism might not be a great example but it is the same rationalization. Besides, we have gypsies in the US. They're fairly common on the east coast. My mom brings it up whenever she talks about when she used to live in Florida.

Yeah, gypsies, not Travellers. As i said before Gypsies are different to Travellers, Travellers are awful whilst Gypsies have some actual innocent people just living out their nomadic lifestyle. Also " I'm simply saying there's no way they all do it simply because they want to.", then you're excusing crime. To commit a crime you choose to do it, theres nothing forcing you to commit any form of law breaking and thats why ignorance of the law isn't a valid excuse. By saying "hey they don't want to do it" is an excuse because it implies they're being forced into doing it against their will when its always been their will. Poverty doesn't excuse crime, no matter how hungry or ill you are, you don't break the law because someone always gets the short end of the stick/

Poverty doesn't excuse crime, but is it even possible for there to exist large~ populations of impoverished humans without SOME crime occurring? If that's the case, and poverty basically creates crime every time then...do you see the issue with not trying to fix the issue and just focusing literally on your own personal experiences, with your major counter-argument being "you don't understand, they're just so shitty!"

But yet again it isn't some crime Its a whole lotta crime, thats why its not some "boo hoo meany british being mean unlike us burgers", crime is stupidly high around Traveller communities. Thats why the comparison to Racism is stupid, it doesn't fit. When people say "black people commit more crime" not only are they wrong they're also not considering the amount of black people who unsuprisingly don't commit crime. Travellers on the other hand are majority criminal and as said in this thread multiple times crime rockets when you're around. Listen i know you guys had the 60s and that shit but this isn't some nasty situation with some poor oppressed folk needing help from the rude overlords, they're a legit issue and thats why they're not accepted anywhere.

That's not excusing crime, that's figuring out the reasoning that went into committing the crime. I've been seeing a lot of "they just do it because they want to" in this thread, and I just don't see that likely being the case, at least not with all of them. Besides, you're shitting me if you really think you wouldn't even consider resorting to crime if you were homeless and starving.

Theres a reason that Laws don't have exemptions Starving Barry nicks food from a Shop to feed his kids or whatever Shop workers get fired Shop workers are now in a worse off position because some bloke broke the law for example

Laws do have exemptions. You seem to have a very simple view of the world, my good sir.

Did I ever say that because if you're implying I did thats a mighty strawman. Also do i really need to repeat it again because desperation doesn't give you a get out of jail free card

you're mixing up gypsy and romani, dude.

Crime in desperation is also wrong because it still hurts other people which is totally unfair and can't be excused

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557

Fair enough Don't agree with it though, every theft still comes back to haunt the manager and staff.