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You wanna know what they call "traps" over Japan?
There is actually many different terms for this, but the most modern and most used one is lifted straight up from a post in 2ch, 男の娘, an untranslatable word play pun in which a closer approximation would be the word "Ladyboy", the pun being 男の子(otokonoko, boy/male child) replaced with 男の娘 (otoko no ko, girlman/girlboy) instead, emphasis on the fact that it's spelled the same but the kanji changes to 娘 (ko, Young Woman)
The english version of this is not as clever unfortunately, but I honestly don't think "trap" is a slur word, and neither can anyone translate it properly to english, of course, that is unless you want people to use the term "ladyboy",
The video is fairly accurate in regards to the transexual stuff, as "rude" as it might be.
But jesus christ the images and screenshots among that board made me genuinely nauseous.
people often call it a slur due to the connotations it has outside of japan, many men have tried to say that trans women trick them or 'trap' them into thinking they're biologically female and once they find out they're trans they black out and go one to beat the utter living shit out of the girl to death or near death
Like I get and understand the origin coming from Japan, I don't want to compare "nigger" and "trap" but saying, "Trap just means a passing crossdresser" or some variation of that is like saying "Nigger is only from the Spanish Negro, or Latin Niger meaning black!" like your ignoring an entire aspect and usage of the word. Maybe I'm reaching a bit but it seems really disingenuous to me to just say its just x.
Personally I think people should try reclaim words like they way queer seems to have been but maybe its too soon. /endrant
How the fuck is Trap anywhere close to nigger? Trap literally refers to anime dudes drawn as girls and that's it. Trap is not a slur and is just some anime joke trope. Why are people blowing this up to something bigger when it's not.
Anonymity, mostly. 4Chan doesn't breed anything particularly vile in people, it just provides the platform for people's own natural vile-ness to bubble forth.
So they can have something new to be offended by.
No? People shouldn't be changing very well established vocabulary and terms just because people who don't understand the term are offended by it.
Maybe you should be learning from japan in that aspect instead, the "storied history" of terms is kept where it should be: in history and people move the fuck on instead of demanding that everyone be triggered over them because someone used it with bad intent before.
You're overblowing it to a whole new level, I'm sure someone with big enough prejudice for transgender women/transvestism wouldn't use common linguo found in communities (mostly anime related) that has members with often transvestic urges, I have yet to hear ANYONE who uses "trap" to any transgender women or a transvestic fetishist they "nearly beat to death", you're absolute ridiculous.
Trap is absolutely a slur and I can't believe this is still a conversation people are having
Lol what? Do you actually think people act like this? That people want to find new ways to be upset? Come on.
Like idk I personally don't get offended by the word trap but I know people that do so I tend to respect it if they don't want me to use it. I've seen transwomen referred to as traps and that's kind of gross when they don't explicitly say it's fine to, so that's when it sort of seeps into "Slur" territory for me.
Otherwise my original post was just about how the weird dude was actively railing against an alternative phrase for the word that can be used while also having the nerve to go into the TG/CD thread to throw a bitchfit over people being kind of pissed about a tranny """"joke"""".
But literally this whole thread is telling you its not.
The trans community is in fairly uniform agreement that it, in fact, is, and that it reinforces an attitude that gets trans women killed. It's pretty irritating to be told no, it's a perfectly okay word, by people with absolutely zero personal stake in the issue.
if you could respond to anything that I've said, I'd really appreciate it
I have reasons to believe what I believe, and I can't just adopt your position if you don't explain to me why I should. I just can't accept "we all think this, so you should too". Tell me why you think what you think.
The abridged version is that 'trap' reinforces the idea that trans women are out here trying to trick straight men into having sex with them or making advances towards them. The issues with this are a) it implies that trans women are inherently disgusting or undesirable, and b) violence against trans women is justified. It sounds far-fetched that this kind of violence would actually happen but it has, many times, by men who felt that they got "tricked" or "entrapped" by taking a trans woman home.
Like, call your porn 'trap porn,' whatever, that's fine. I still think it's kind of shitty but I have to concede somewhere. But as soon as the word 'trap' starts extending to real people, ESPECIALLY trans women and not just crossdressers or femboys, that's when things get real shitty. Because the line is so fine I'd really prefer the word fell out of use entirely but I know that won't happen
tl,dr: I have an issue with anything that reinforces harmful misconceptions about trans people
No, that is not the abridged version. The term "Trap" comes from the crossdressing community, which you are lovingly throwing under the bus right now.
I always thought trap referred to feminine-looking men who are so androgynous you're not sure if they're men or not, but still men. Hence the trap. I rarely ever see it associated with trans people.
It's basically fine in the cd context, although I still don't like the connotation very much.
Literally the only time I've seen it be used with trans people is when people mistake trans porn for crossdressing porn.
But the word doesnt even "belong" to the trans people, its a crossdresser thing. Also, relying on whether or not some word becomes popular or not as a matter of your own safety is stupid. Its not something you can control, people are going to use words they like. IMO, the only thing that trans community can accomplish by appling this kind of logic is to alienate said community further and make them look petty to people at large. Which, you know, might actually attribute towards violence to trans people in some way down the line. After all, which kind of community would you rather support, one full of chilled out nice people with a certain degree of self distance, or a group of people who make demands, get offended, and convinced that trying to micromanage internet vocabulary will help murder rates? The fact that this a stereotype about trans people in alt-right doesnt help either.
Now, you could argue that the word could be annoying when used against transgendered people, and I wouldnt really disagree since I can easily see that. Its just, its not really how its used "in this part of internet", so to speak.
I'm actually not finding any evidence that that's the origin of the word. Everything I can find points to it originating in otaku communities in the early-mid 2000s.
Traps are not transsexuals. They are cross-dressers.
just fyi that word doesn't mean anything anymore, even medically.
What gives you the right to try and make a term, that is used as empowerment for crossdressers, disappear?
Were I given the power to magically remove it from existence, I wouldn't, because I don't have that right. But I wish people would have a better understanding of the connotations before using it. It's empowering for cds, yes, but it also throws trans women right under the bus.
Again, I have no idea what dark corners of the internet you visit where you "see it commonly", but maybe try there instead, because as several people has said in this thread already, we've practically never seen it used against trans people(on purpose).
This isn't an us-vs-them issue. We have to work on the issues within our own community too
does anyone actually know where the term "trap" originated?
like doesn't it literally come from admiral akbar memes?
Except you're literally making it an "us vs them" issue by throwing the CD community under the bus constantly throughout this thread.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps
there actually interestingly enough was a subreddit made back in 2010 by and for MTF folk and crossdressers known as r/traps
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