Some male sexual assault victims feel left behind by #MeToo - Sensationalist Headlines

See, a post like this is the exact same kind of strawmanning as the ones that try to say that feminists, by in large, think rape can only happen to women. Yes, there are assholes in every group, you cannot just sit there and try to demonize one over the other; especially when one talks about issues rarely brought up at all.

What? What a bunch of cunts.

Its a normal reaction. Both sexes do it. Its just that one has the law and rules on its side and shit gender norms in regards to abuse. Not to say women have it good though.

I wasn't calling out a gender in particular, I just don't see how that could be deemed "normal" though.

It shouldn't be normal, you're absolutely right but it just is for now.

I love that when people complain about rad fems people will always trot out the "nuh uh not all feminists are like that", but the same people will happily brand all MRAs as misogynists just because some of them are.

"Men we don't like"

Oh, believe me, radfems have completely soured my opinion of feminism as a whole. Feminism's unwillingness to recognize radfems and terfs as the serious issue that they are is pretty disgusting.

most problems that men face can be solved through feminism. Men being unable to express their emotions is a symptom of 'the Patriarchy', too. Single male parents not getting adequate support is at least in part because women are traditionally seen as the caregivers. In a world where women feel able to be the breadwinners, men naturally will be able to be the stay-at-home parents too. There's a lot of crossover. But, as AtomicSans mentioned above, just as TERFs and other nasty brands of radfem are tumours on the feminist front (TERF, if anyone isn't aware, being trans-exclusionary radical feminists, '''feminists'''' using the label to deny rights to trans women), there's no denying that MGTOW and TRP and general misogyny are problems in the general mens rights movement too. You need to be critical of people using the name of your movement (beyond just saying 'they're not one of us') to excuse backlash against feminism or women in general, or risk being lumped in with them. You need to figure out if you're for mens rights because you acknowledge that men are being affected by the same shitty social norms that negatively affect women (and being a man you, understandably, want to focus on issues that affect you more), or just because 'feminists bad they dont care about me ' because I assure you, they do. It's not a zero-sum game, women getting the vote didn't take the vote away from men.

Redirecting all male issues with "fix women's issues and yours will trickle down" is bullshit. We're allowed to speak about our issues without it ACTUALLY BEING FEMINISM

you probably posted this before I edited in that link, so read that and then get back to me

I have yet to see feminists do anything beyond pay lip service to mens issues. It's quite clear that the vast majority of feminists couldn't give a fuck about mens issues and some even want to straight up deny them.

That's not really what that means though. Feminism is about equality, creating equality naturally solves a lot of issues for both genders

I assure you, that isn't the case outside of whatever fringe groups you can find on tumblr or wherever. Read the link I posted at the end.

But all that link does is pay lip service to it like I said. Actions speak louder than words and the complete lack of action among feminists clearly shows an attitude of apathy towards these problems.

well, what problems? Give me some problems that mens rights activists identify that can't be solved through feminism.

The one that this thread is literally about. Feminists don't seem to give a shit, I never see feminists campaigning to help men like this, they'll blog about it once and then forget about it and go back to focusing on their own issues, which I wouldn't care so much about if they didn't go out of their way to destroy any movements set up by men to try and address them.

I do not accept your link to someone else's reddit post on "askfeminists" as a valid reason to shut down all male related talk by diverting to trickle down equality.

http://www.feminist.org/nomoreexcuses/rapeisrape.asp#ftnftn https://books.google.no/books?id=ISnFAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=9781137035103&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false https://www.thelocal.se/20150617/sweden-announces-first-centre-for-raped-men or, for example, you know how sometimes people will comment that when, say, a girl is raped by a male teacher she's rightfully treated as a victim and the rapist as a reprenshible monster, but when a boy gets raped by a female teacher people congratulate him or comment on how lucky he is? That's thanks to traditional outdated social norms, where a man having sex at a young age is perceived as a good thing regardless of circumstance. Feminists obviously arent ok with that situation either. as for this thread topic, well, you could read this kinda rebuttal - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/harvey-weinstein-metoo-sexual-assault-male-victims-oppression-patriarchy-a8006976.html but I myself disagree with it, even if at first #MeToo was about the sexual abuse of women, its big enough now that it should encompass all victims of sexual abuse. then theres this quote from the OP article: Brown’s sense of distance from the #MeToo movement is shared by other abused men — some of whom have been using a #MenToo hashtag on Twitter. which is kind of like saying "All Lives Matter" in response to BLM. Yes, obviously, all lives matter, but saying it like that can seem like you're rallying against BLM (and, well, in AllLivesMatter, they're doing exactly that, but with #MenToo and MRA and all that I'd like to think that some people aren't doing it specifically to get back at feminists or whatever). Of course you can have your own movement, as long as its focused on its own identified issues and not just tearing the other movements down.

In addition to the one the thread is about, the overwhelming prejudice against men in pretty much every step of our justice system, the societal perception that men's lives are expendable while women's have inherent worth, the fact that while the top rungs of society may be predominantly male (which is absolutely an injustice we should address), the bottom rungs of society are also predominantly male (most homeless people are male, most people in prison are male, most people who kill themselves are male etc.) All of these issues are things that you'll only ever see feminist movements pay lip service to when someone else brings them up and for some of these issues not even that. The injustice women face in society is a very important problem and we shouldn't stop fighting against it, but the problem is that the discussion about gender issues in society has been pretty much exclusively focused on how they effect women, and the assertion is always that any problems men face actually are because of women's injustices, and so long as we just keep focusing entirely on dealing with those we'll probably just fix all your stuff by proxy I guess. The only time men's issues are talked about in any serious manner is in the context of how they effect women. As it turns out, male injustices have not been addressed by proxy. If the goal of these feminist movements is actually to achieve equality between the sexes, then they need to do more than just say "well that sucks but our problems are more important so we're just gonna keep focusing on those." The problem is not one-sided.

how can I show that feminists do care about men's rights without linking to a feminist website, lol. thats so ludicrously vague and unclear. Not being treated equally how?

In my experience, feminists only speak about male issues and solving them when they're trying to convince men to stop speaking about their issues, because "feminism will solve them" Once they're back to talking about feminism, it's women's issues only until they need to convince someone else that they car about male issues.

I've seen a whole lot of feminists online pussy and campaign for men's rights as well, so...

I'm sorry, but until they start asking why men are dropping out of society in totality and why there's 1 domestic abuse shelter for women while there area thousands for women as well as legal remedies they have that men don't. I'm not going to listen to women on men's issues just as I don't expect some geriatric in Congress to know what's good for a woman's body.

Seems you're looking much harder then, considering that any feminism related movement that has any cultural relevance whatsoever are solely focused on female issues.

Not really, actually. Although one reason that female issues did be shown and campaigned for more prominently is because there are more of them, and they're more prevalent

I'm starting to get the impression this is an uphill battle. These people seem absolutely determined to convince themselves that most feminists only care about women's issues, even though that is objectively false. When people start throwing out several sources on the issue, and people straight-up deny them due to their association with what they're demonizing, then all hope is lost. Demanding that sources associated with a movement not come from associates with the movement is a logically absurd thing to ask for, and is analogous to asking for proof that climate change is real, but only from sources that don't assert that climate change is real. Truly, we are living in the age of misinformation, fake news, and echo chambers.

Honestly, if there are issues that you want supported, it's up to you to support them. It's no one else job. Sure, try to get others on your side, but ffs don't try to tear them or their activism down as some sort of revenge for them not supporting our campaigning for your issues. The goal should be for ALL of these issues to be solved

because, unfortunately, it's more prevalent towards women. Where gender was recorded, 92.1% (92,851) of defendants were male and 7.9% (7,992) were female (in 87 cases gender was not recorded). Where gender was recorded, 83.3% (71,706) of victims were female and 16.7% (14,406) were male, (in 18,081 cases the gender was not recorded) https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/how-common-is-domestic-abuse/ but I know what you're gonna say to that, it's because domestic abuse of men isn't taken as seriously. I agree. It may be because men don't feel comfortable admitting to being abused, they don't want to look weak, or it may be because people don't think men can be abused. The reason for that starts with p and ends with -atriarchy. If men are conditioned socially to be stoic and strong, of course they're not gonna want to admit to being abused. Wayback Machine

A reddit post saying "I care about male issues" is not enough to offset the damage that feminism has done to male equality and the perception of men in society. The very name of feminism is inherently biased. At least MRAs don't pretend that "men's right activism" is about female issues as well. Ideally, people would be both feminists and MRAs. Feminism -- a movement that is transparently about female issues -- is not adequate.