Milo Yiannopoulos and a group of democratic socialists walk into a bar - Sensationalist Headlines

Please tell me how this is true. I thought a common criticism of Clinton was that she was too corporate.

It isn't true at all. My point was to make a similarly ridiculous statement that is commonly made from the other side. To say that Republicans generally are in any way comparable to Neo-Nazis is actually insaine, just like saying democrats generally are communists is insane.

Don't bother. It won't be long until he decides to get absurdly anal about semantics, this is what he always does.

you're right actually, neo-nazis generally have way more tattoos than republicans.

"how could the japanese ally with nazi germany? they're not aryan!"

You aren't degrading yourself here at all, because you're just speaking your mind not having a blast with 20 of your pals and screaming at me like a moron.

sgman gets hung up over the dumbest things I swear

Yeah, because calling one of the two major political parties Neo-Nazis is a "dumb" thing.

Fair enough, but he still isn't a nazi. I mean frankly, it's his own fault this association exists, as he hailed himself as the leader of the alt-right movement, completely not understanding that the movement was built upon a strong foundation of belief in race realism and the ethno-state. He did it to himself, really.

Nah man. What they are saying is that it's cool to call democrats "communists", and anyone who objects is just starting a dumb argument about semantics and should be discounted.

I'd say they're way more lenient on the far-right than the Democrats are on the far-left, and have opened themselves up to a lot of racially charged rhetoric as a result. Their platform overlaps with more radical elements in a way I simply don't see on the Dem side. Not saying this is what Lambeth said, just my own take.

Why is it an issue if multiple people tell a person their politican affiliation is shit and harmful, especially the alt right nazi rhetoric? Thats their right to tell them off. Who gives a fuck if you're nice about it, its a fucking nazi, who cares. Come on guys, you can't just dogpile jim because he believes jews are ruining america and should be jailed, its not nice . Fuck them and fuck milo, both are shitheads that needs to be told what people think of them.

This is the stupidest, most deliberately antagonizing shit i've ever read and does not only NOT refute the argument you're railing againts, but wholly demonstrates why their point was wholly correct. https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png Is pretty much what they were saying and they're correct. People have the right to walk away from cunts, but if you're a singular cunt in a huge group of people, they have the right to eject you as a substitute from walking away themselves. Short of actual assault, of course. Milo got shown the door and he took it. If you don't like people making assumptions about your social skills, then don't go around seeming oblivious to basic sociology. We can argue the morals and philosophy of it for a century and it still won't change the behavior that people use to non-violently deal with assholes and according to the laws in most countries, this is the only way to deal with cunts.

I didn't call them neo-nazis, I said their ideology is similar. Neo-nazis are a ethnically homogeneous group who use ethnic and religious minorities as a scapegoat The Republican party is a ethnically homogeneous group who use ethnic and religious minorities as a scapegoat

Holy shit, why are you so upset? It sounds like you did a great job riling yourself up for no fucking reason. That persons argument in its entirety is completely misaimed because I'm not saying they should've not acted like apes because Milo deserves free speech. I'm saying they shouldn't have done that because when you rile yourself up and start mobbing up on someone, while it might be 20 people telling a cunt to fuck off, from a distance it just looks like a bunch of cunts shouting at each other. And while I understand the nature of it, it doesn't mean I have to be enthusiastic about it. Frankly I find it amusing how Milo has to eat the shit salad he made for himself, but would I join 50 other people and shout at someone to get the fuck out of someplace? No. That's not how I do things, and I wouldn't start just because I don't like someone. Especially because unlike you, I don't make stupid assumptions, and I know how the far-right uses events like this to spread like anal pus in a cheap whorehouse.

FINALLY, someone else in here realizes that the instant gratification that comes with being a cunt right back to these people only plays into their hands and allows them to paint themselves as the victim.

How in the hell is a fucking nazi a victim. Good god this entire nation is going to shit if you have people defending nazis because "bullying is bad". If Hitler himself was running around the US spreading the same exact shit to people, Should we give them an ear? Oh wait, we did. And look what happened then.

Because the individual person himself is making himself comfortable with mob mentality, which is my main concern regarding the actual people involved. Secondly, because Milo obviously feeds on the ability to be a victim and these morons keep throwing social currency at him. Thirdly, because this allows a lot of far right groups to gain important ammunition for their propaganda - not that they twist everything for that purpose anyway. Hey, if you don't find these points as important as I do, that's fine by me. I do understand your perspective, even if I don't agree completely. Whether or not he knew is irrelevant, he tried to spearhead the movement - specifically the part that later became "the new right". After Trump was elected it became obvious that the alt-right is not a group of conservatives who are not happy with the direction of the republican party, but a nationalistic racialist movement that builds its foundations on making an ethno-state. After that, Milo suspiociusly stopped associating himself with it, at least not nearly as much after it became impossible to deny that what he pushed as the alt right, and what they actually were, were two different things. As far as I know, he doesn't believe in the ethno state, nor does he believe in race realism. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, but so far I haven't seen him say anything that would show he does (granted, I have only seen a few videos of him (he's not easy to watch), but they did show his views decently well).

First, you're going to have to prove to me where he is an actual nazi and identifies as such. Until then, you're just using loaded words in an appeal to emotion Second, he's going to play it up as he just walked into the bar and people started threatening him just because they hate him for speaking his mind, and that it's an affront on his right to free speech. Nobody is going to look at the shit he's said before, nobody is going to look into anything, they are just going to take him at his word, because we live in an age where people don't fact check any-fucking-thing. YOU might see him for the shit opinions he has (and I wouldn't disagree with you one bit on that), but he WILL use this to paint himself as the victim, and people will eat it up. That is the REALITY of the situation. This is why being a cunt to people like this just plays into their hand. They can use a twisted narrative to paint themselves as the victim, and it works time and time again without fail.

Because the individual person himself is making himself comfortable with mob mentality, which is my main concern regarding the actual people involved. Secondly, because Milo obviously feeds on the ability to be a victim and these morons keep throwing social currency at him. Thirdly, because this allows a lot of far right groups to gain important ammunition for their propaganda - not that they twist everything for that purpose anyway. Hey, if you don't find these points as important as I do, that's fine by me. I do understand your perspective, even if I don't agree completely. If multiple people agree with a single point and be vocal about it, its not a mob mentality, its everyone in the room showing you the door because they don't want to even be near your bullshit. If he wants to play victim, all it does is go right back to the morons who follow him anyway. If people want to tell you you're a fucking moron, thats their right. it doesnt suddenly become a problem when more than a set number of people do it in one area. The faster he realizes the general population wants nothing to do with him, the faster he will realize he should shut the fuck up and stop pushing bullshit. Whether or not he knew is irrelevant, he tried to spearhead the movement - specifically the part that later became "the new right". After Trump was elected it became obvious that the alt-right is not a group of conservatives who are not happy with the direction of the republican party, but a nationalistic racialist movement that builds its foundations on making an ethno-state. What the hell are you talking about, he saw it was heading that direction and just kept tossing fuel into the fire because he gets paid to do so. Its very important if he knew, A lot of people saw it careening down that path and hopped off, myself included. Milo was at the helm of the ship and steered right into the storm. Alt right was a shit movement before trump even got his spot, It only became a spotlight when trump was running. After that, Milo suspiociusly stopped associating himself with it, at least not nearly as much after it became impossible to deny that what he pushed as the alt right, and what they actually were, were two different things. He still goes to fucking alt right meetups, talk shows, podcasts, news programs, and online groups. What the hell are you pulling this bullshit from. He still says the stupid shit the "bad" alt right has been saying, because he knows he became a poster boy and can get cash from it. Making yourself look like the victim is an integral part of almost any right wing movement lol. Well, not just right wing, but you get what I mean. except majority of people see a nazi and immediately say fuck em. A nazi cannot be a victim when their whole ideal is "clearing" the gene pool and jailing jews who apparently run the world.

Telling someone to get out isn't a threat unless they follow it up, and even if they did his right to express himself isn't somehow infringed. And "nazi" might be hyperbolic when describing him, but given his affiliations I don't see why he or anyone else should be surprised when he get called as such

You don't know how many of them would've reacted that way on their own. Neither do I, I just feel it's more likely that peer pressure was also at play for the way they expressed their behavior. You feel safer in a group, there's no denying that. You say it was headed in that direction, then you say it was always there. The truth is, there was the alt-right, then there was people joining it because they didn't know its roots. I'm saying Milo is an opportunistic shill first, fiery conservative second. Don't you remember that alt-right rally where a bunch of them literally outed themselves as being nazis by fucking saluting in the middle of a speech? Remember how it caused a massive schism in the movement? After I saw that, I also mostly didn't hear much about Milo. So if he is still associating himself with the movement, my ignorance of that is my bad. But that still doesn't prove how he really feels about all of their talking points. Unless you can point me to somewhere that shows it - but don't bother, my opinon of him is already low enough as it is, and it doesn't change how I feel about the consequences of events such as the one in this news post. How do you see a nazi? Do you just have like a spreadsheet with faces on it so you can immediately tell? What if someone doesn't commonly browse the news like you do? What if someone is just down on the dumps and sees a guy come over and give him aid, like a nice, concerned citizen? And what if they don't brand themselves as nazis anymore, and don't target jews, but elevate a fake european identity they want to protect from the mean liberals and not-white-people and use that cause so they can rally as many people they can delude into giving them influence? If you're wondering why anyone would care about a Nazi, they don't. Which is why groups like these succesfully flew under the radar. Secondly, how do they become a victim? Easy, they will use literally anything they can. And the links show a movement that's growing in your country, while the european equivalent is growing in my own fucking home town. I'm even seeing grafitti pop up in the vicinity of my workplace, which is in our damn capitol city. Being a careless maniac sure can feel nice, but the people who are the real threat aren't being careless.

For a guy telling me: ... You seem very upset. Time to step back for a bit, stop tossing about the labels for the people you disagree with and actually make an argument. Also, work on how you read people. My original post had zero trace of "upset" in it. I was merely responding to you being a baby about people making assumptions about your social skills... Assumptions you've just proven right. Yelling at people doesn't make you right, you just win the argument because people recognize that they've got better shit do do than beat their heads against a brick wall. Take a beat and a fresh run at the discussion. stop calling people on being angry or getting worked up when they're obviously not. It doesn't help your point. at all.

That entire "schism" was an optics problem lmao. The division was "fuck yeah we can be nazi loving dickheads in public finally" and "holy shit you idiots shouldn't let them see us doing this". The alt-right is a majority white supremacist movement that has always taken a lot of inspiration from previous white supremacist movements such as the KKK and from the nazis themselves in how they present themselves and how they code their language. Anyone supporting the alt-right who has an issue with the whole ~roman salute~ thing is covering their ass and little more. The alt-right itself is a split from the extremely etho-nationalist movements of neo-reaction, but unlike most other splinter movements they actually know how to not embarrass themselves constantly in public and have a stronger grasp on propaganda tactics.

I certainly think there was a portion of people who joined the alt right because they thought it was going to a lot closer to a "I'm conservative but I don't like what's happenning with the GOP" than what it turned out to be. Regardless of this though, we both agree they have a strong grasp on propaganda. I'd hazard a guess that you might also find it tiring to see Milo getting dragged out of obscurity by events like this, and using them to stay afloat.

Repeat after me so you can actually absorb and understand what I'm saying: IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE REALLY IS A VICTIM. PEOPLE DON'T FACT CHECK SHIT. ALL HE HAS TO DO IS APPEAR TO BE A VICTIM. I said nothing about rights being infringed. If you don't understand how people like this play off of people's ignorance to portray themselves as the victim to gain sympathy, then you've already lost the battle by playing right into their hands. There is a reason that Russian bots worked so well to push narratives in the election. Stop trying to justify fucking up because it stimulates your revenge boner. You're free to call him a Nazi all you want. And I'm free to tell you that you're being intellectually dishonest just to appeal to emotion. You actually don't hurt him by calling him a Nazi, you just water down what it means to be a Nazi, making people take the term less seriously. Remember when words like "racist" and "sexist" were actually powerful words instead of being seen as watered down attempts at an insult? We're doing the same shit here. It's like nobody ever learns their lesson.

Yeah sorry I misread the first part of your paragraph. You're right that he victimises himself at every opportunity, but that's a given, and it's better than not confronting him at all and letting him think his ideas are ok. The end goal of self-victimisation is to shut critics up, so who's really playing into their hands? As for calling him a nazi, in this case I think it's pretty apt considering he solicits nazis. Like racism and sexism, if someone facilitates those then is surprised when they get called those things, maybe they have some thinking to do.

This isn't about Milo. Milo will never stop being shit. Allowing him to victimize himself allows him to draw in OTHERS who aren't Milo. Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp. This ins't about Milo. No, the end goal is self victimization to garner sympathy from people and get them to back him. So yes, by giving him ammunition, you're doing all of the hard work for him. And I think it's pretty disingenuous and dangerous.

You're free to call him a Nazi all you want. And I'm free to tell you that you're being intellectually dishonest just to appeal to emotion. You actually don't hurt him by calling him a Nazi, you just water down what it means to be a Nazi, making people take the term less seriously. Remember when words like "racist" and "sexist" were actually powerful words instead of being seen as watered down attempts at an insult? We're doing the same shit here. It's like nobody ever learns their lesson. Man who spreads nazi ideology, panders to nazis, hangs out with nazis, and wears nazi paraphernalia is not a nazi. There's mountains of evidence showing he follows them intently and they listen to him intently. So far all you and other have said to why hes not a nazi is "he isn't because i say he is" or "you're gonna water down the meaning!". Both are stupid excuses when you have literal videos and pictures of him propagatingall of it. I have yet to see him actively demonize them, and he speaks positively about them. Racist and sexist are still powerful words, just you fail to see them like it because majority of your party is called out for one or the other when pushing bullshit legislation.