U-boat builder Peter Madsen found guilty of the murder of Kim Wall

[Big D Duchovny]

Now, the psychiatrists didn't go as far as calling him a sociopath, they simply noted that he "had a lack of empathy", but either way: There's no helping a socio- or psychopath. There's no cure. Psychopaths simply need to be kept as far away from people as possible, and there's no reason to have them take up space in a psychiatric institution.

[Anzu143]

"forvaringsdom" (dunno if English has a word for that)

Basically preventative confinement or something

Anyway, dude's not getting out any time soon. .
It kind of sucks that someone like him turns out to be a murderous psycho, did a couple of pretty cool things up until well yeah this

[Big D Duchovny]

???

A majority of schizophrenics are well-treated and live relatively normal lives. Sure, there's no cure, but some are basically relieved of symptoms through the rest of their lives. There's no cure for being a psychopath, but furthermore, there's no treatment. And I think you're missing a point: Psychopaths don't feel empathy. This makes them much more likely to harm others and engage in anti-social behaviour.

It's also not illegal to be a psychopath. But there's no point in trying to treat these people, and while I'm generally wary of punishment as prevention, when it comes to psychopaths, this is needed; psychopaths only care about moral norms when breaking them might have detrimental effects on their lives. They should be punished to the full extent of the law, and we most certainly shouldn't waste money on trying to treat them.

[revengeanomics]

holy fuck what a trainwreck of sick...

[Big D Duchovny]

Punishment is supposed to keep them away from other people. What do you suggest we do with psychopathic killers, rapists and child molesters? Let them go? I honestly don't get what you're disagreeing with: I'm simply saying that psychopaths should go to prison like everyone else. And well, indefinite sentences seem appropriate for psychopaths who commit horrible crimes, and must be considered to be chronically dangerous to the rest of the population. I guess you might disagree with that part, but I kinda gotta ask why.

From a cursory search, the body of knowledge on psychopaths and punishment seems fairly lacking. My logic is that the smart population of psychopaths will be encouraged to act within the confines of the law, as they will achieve more success if they aren't imprisoned. This is entirely my own opinion, so don't give it too much weight I guess, but since I have yet to see any example of a real alternative, I don't really see a reason not to try.

[Big D Duchovny]

Prison is punishment, I honestly don't know why you'd immediately jump to conclude I meant Chinese water torture. It's apparent that Madsen is trying to evade punishment, and from what I can tell, most psychopaths will at least make an effort to not get caught. That suggests to me that they'd rather not go to prison. My understanding is that a psychopath would see little reason to not kill someone for their own gain - considering we see so relatively few murders, I'm gonna go ahead and assign that to the psychopath understanding that what they'll gain by killing someone else will not make up for the social and judicial repercussions. Maybe this is a naive understanding of the situation, but that's my logic.

I see no reason not to study psychopaths, and if it turns out that we can treat them - well, that would be great. Studying psychopaths doesn't mean we should try treatment that has failed to work, though, and I see no reason to implement treatment as a general policy, though, as it'd be a waste of time.

[Grink Of Meat]

Unless you were a russian soldier fighting in the winther war and the finns shot you. Those guys were so underfed and had such low body-temperatures that they turned into ice instantaneously upon death.

But that was freezing, and not rigor-mortis so idk what i'm on about, still, interesting.

Maybe she froze to death in finland and that's why he had to cut her to pieces. that could be his next excuse.

[Sharo]

We're talking about a Scandinavian country here. I think you can rest easy that punishment doesn't mean vengeful torture. Why do you conclude that he doesn't care about punishment? He clearly made attempts to avoid punishment by repeatedly lying and sinking the submarine, body, and evidence. He failed pathetically at every step, but he definitely tried.