Schools are removing clocks from exam halls as teens 'cannot tell time'
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Can't wait for the digital clock version of Big Ben!
majority of clocks in shops/schools/public places are electrical. Mechanical clocks are expensive and are really only seen if they are part of a tower, or at home/watch. I used to wear a watch, but even that was digital because i can just glance to see what time it is or how much time i got left exactly.
Yes, but in the event of a power outage the only clocks still running will be mechanical. That's why analog clocks are never going to disappear and since they're never going to disappear you might as well know how to read them.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613000470
Starting to wonder if this paper's conclusions are true
For me digital is just as much as an abstraction as analogue. I often want to know how much of an hour is left, and just seeing 2:41 makes me blink for a second thinking, because I have to switch from thinking 'out of one hundred' to 'out of sixty'. Analogue meanwhile gives a better visual representation of what percentage of the hour is left.
Personally I think that if there is a power outage and you don't have any time-sensitive tasks, you have bigger problems than knowing the time, such as food in your freezer thawing and such. Unless I have class, I very rarely need to check the time, and going back to your power outage example, you can always just check your cellphone.
I can't comprehend not being able to read a clock or atleast not learning how to read one in under like 60 seconds.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/109874/602a6ba4-52c2-41fc-8f75-4f9c308796ff/image.png
Short hand points to the hour. Long hand points to the minute (minute x5 that is). Thin hand points to the second (x5)
Except the clocks that are electrical because they have a battery, same with majority of digital ones. If power is out for longer than that then theres a lot more important shit going on than having to read time.
I don't blame them if they've never been taught. I wouldn't even call this new either. My cousin born in '94 doesn't know how to read them but it's acceptable because she's also fucking stupid
Reading an analog clock takes half a second if you're used to it, especially if you're not trying to know the exact minute which, in the context of an exam, is not important.
It's also a good way to train basic math which everyone needs in their lives.
I loved having clocks in the classroom. They were a beacon of hope showing how much time you had left before your torture session was over.
I can teach anyone how to read an analogue clock in two fucking minutes. Well, anyone who actually wants to learn. You can't teach the wilfully stupid.
TBH I think you're blowing their utility out of proportion. Yeah, that's gonna be the reason why they're not going away for field researchers, hikers, farmers, people who live in areas that are remote or prone to blackouts, etc. But otherwise, they'll stick around because of visual appeal, history, and cultural presence, not average people keeping them to tell the time during a power outage.
It's really not that big a problem if people don't know how to read analog clocks. I worry more about losing the educational value - it sounds like great mental stimulation for kids learning it, and it's an exercise they can take out of the classroom - than the skill itself.
Reading a clock in and of itself isn't the most valuable skill but it is sad to see it go.
Clocks are how I understood modular math though, as well as different "base" number math and were invaluable in making all of that understandable to me.
Learn it in a what???
Psh, it's already like that. couple of reception and year 1 teachers I know report that a fair portion of their class can't a) use a toilet properly or b) use a knife and fork to cut their food.
Reading schematics that involve angles will make things so much easier if you know what the words clockwise and counter-clockwise mean.
Source: you will DROP DEAD trying to learn uni level math/physics if you don't have any visual examples of rotations and how they work.
My former housemate born in '91 doesn't know how to read them, either.
Seeing as he has a double-major in mathematics and physics, with a minor in astronomy, though, I wouldn't call him stupid.
I'm incredibly inclined to assume this is alarmist confirmation bias
"it's easier to give them an ipad" fuckin yeah it is, that's why you need to do the muscle memory building exercises you twit. Kids aren't born with innate pencil writing knowledge, that's why finger-painting was also a thing before tablets
TBH being made to write shit makes me much less likely to review it too, especially if it's a class where you have to write relatively fast to get everything down.
Whereas if I just typed it up onto my laptop, I can pull up the file on my phone at any time and look over it, and as well, I can easily copy paste things into anki for that good-good spaced repetition.
It is actually true however that handwriting is better for learning than typing and you can find quite a few sources for it, but eh, I'm not really sure if that magnitude outdoes the benefits of typing for me.
This sadly doesn't surprise me. Even back when I was in high school in '06-'10, there were idiots in the men's room who - as soon as they finished at a urinal - would just walk out without flushing or washing their hands; you'd think they wouldn't even have enough sense to do up their flies. Happened in the stalls too; I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys didn't even wipe. Hell, I'm fairly certain there were a few mongoloids who just walked in and pissed on the closest wall considering how often the floor was just mysteriously wet.
To get anything even remotely sanitary, I took every opportunity I had to make a detour to the out-of-the-way restrooms in the far corners of the school, if not just outright go use the one in the nurse's office or ask to use the staff ones (which I could usually get away with, as I was frequently in the staff areas in general due to technically being a special-ed student). But the restroom right outside the cafeteria and especially the one in the middle of the classroom complex were friggin' biohazard zones.
fair enough, but it's also quite easy on an analogue clock to visually interpret how much time you have left. the chunks of five minutes are quite clear, and time can pass deceptively quickly on a digital clock.
it seems fairly obvious to me that due to a multiplicity of reasons we're getting more dumb.
I mean I can read an analogue so long as the hands aren't really tiny and it's not far away, my eyesight's not getting any better. What I never learned properly was all the proper terms when people start throwing out anything beyond the direct time.
Then again that might just be the autism speaking.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Analogue clocks are something every kid grows up with. Even if every watch and clock in your house is digital, you spend 8+ hours a day in school and every damn room has a big ass analogue clock, not to mention they teach you how to read them in the first or second years of school
Seesh
"Shows how times have change"
Hmmmmm
On the contrary, make all the clocks analog, who can't tell the time after a week will be permanently classified as a retard, problem solved
i find it easier to read the opposite way. if i have to read digital on a test that starts at, say 12:10, and ends at 1:40, it'll be easier for me to read the direction of an analog's hands than it is to do the mental math necessary to compare the current time vs beginning or end time
Isn't 24 hour time the most common though?
Like, here the test would be over at 13:40, so then it's pretty easy to tell.
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