UK cries foul over exclusion from EU satellite plan - Sensationalist Headlines

You joke but this is literally what people believe. They chose to leave and now the reality of leaving is becoming known they'll accuse the EU of bullying and blackmail.

Not really when we've decided "lmao we can empire again". This is like complaining that you stopped receiving a magazine after cancelling your subscription "because I was a long time subscriber!". We'll have already seen benefits to the funding for various EU schemes we've contributed to; jobs, technology, etc. Just because we've been a long term contributor doesn't mean we will still retain access to these things when we leave as a requirement for access to these things is some form of EU membership. We're losing out big time by leaving the EU as funding from the EU has kept a number of our scientific and historic things going when our government has refused to help properly.

Every day I wake up and I remember that I am part of this country and I literally fuckin' sigh when I remember dumb ass bullshit like this is going on

Nobody can read the article because it's behind a paywall. Galileo is a military satellite system for missiles. Sharing it between Britain and Europe gets a bit more complicated if you think about it in those terms.

It isn't entitled to expect to remain part of a programme that you have been one of the larger contributors to for 15 years

You literally said I also don't think the UK is in any position to lecture anyone on being blunt and unreasonable. implying that the UK was literally the one lecturing to you. You (and several others) were replying to individuals pretty dang aggressively as if every single person in the UK wanted Brexit, when the numbers show it was anything but. It'd be like going up to an American who was bitching about trump and saying "well then you shouldn't have voted for him, dumbass". I'm not putting on a show, and I have no bone to pick; as far as I remember, I've literally replied to you twice ever. I'm not 'posting like' anything, if you don't like how I post then don't read my posts, it's pretty simple.

Yeah uh, I have utterly no issue with the EU excluding us from that if we leave the EU, because that's only a security threat to everyone involved. That'd be like going "Oh hey, you've moved out, but here's like, a fistful of spare keys to my house, and I'm just gonna clone your key here, too. That's cool, right?"

If California seceded from the usa should it get some f-35's since it contributed a bunch? No. Collaboration was predicated on and supposed to engender mutual reliance. Everyone was contributing to a European Army. Also it's a bit weird to start asking for military equipment from your neighbour when you don't even have a trade deal with them. This is kind of the long tail of basing brexit on feelings.

Then you shouldn't just have voted Leave after investing so much in EU projects.

If you're gonna entertain the burger analogy, it's a lot more like you've paid for a burger, then thrown a tantrum and tossed a bunch of shit on the floor, then gone home and written a 1-star Yelp review before you had even gotten your burger. Maybe you should have thought about the consequences of funding an EU-based program whilst actively trying to withdraw from the EU. They're already planning their future without you.

what the fuck is going on with people calling individuals the entire fucking UK

Not sure why everyone is keen on writing their posts like I personally am responsible for the UK leaving the EU, itr that my opinion isn't valid because the UK voted to leave

random Danish folk with a toxic attitude, thats all

What a fucking retarded thing to hear from a resident of a country that did exactly that.

"The British State" is such a vague and useless concept in the discussion about what is happening on the political stage. Half the country wanted something, the other half didn't. That's not even including what people who couldn't vote at the time wanted. The vote of the individuals of the country was non-binding, and was taken by an such a tiny minority of the individuals (the government) as a message to leave. Too address individuals of such a horribly complex shitshow like Brexit as if they are the single decision maker and solely responsible for everything is patronizing and shortsighted.

How come majority of the United Kingdom posters fail to see that leaving the European Union comes with all the benefits of being a member taken away one? Does not matter how much the country contributed while it was in it. The people voted to leave.

What is so hard to understand about "you're not on the EU, you don't get EU stuff"? You fucked up, stop crying, own up to your mistakes and start finding solutions. Exact same applies to Brexit, it's an emotional response to international diplomacy. Also, this is the best to do, why should a country that is no longer bound to the EU's data protection laws have access to the EU's encrypted data?

That money we invested was essentially a subscription fee. You don't get the benefits of a subscription after you terminate it, despite "having invested over a long period".

I don't mind seeing the UK lose its benefits, it comes with leaving and it's no surprise. It's only strange that posters from the EU seem to be in agreement that the UK should be refused involvement from a joint project it has been a part of for years and is still contributing to. I thought they'd be fighting for the inclusion of one of the largest contributors of the project, because they might lose out on the advantages it once provided. Had no idea that anti-British sentiment was so high, really interesting to see.

Then it shall be called "Friends and UK Space Program"

I think brexit is as dumb as the next guy but this is retarded given just how much the UK contributed to make the project possible; if they're not getting what they essentially made possible then they should get their money back.

Its only like your example if those nations seceded from NATO, like many people have been saying; just because you contribute to a group's project doesn't mean you should be allowed to retain access if you leave said group. This is more of that "having our cake and eating it too" shit that our government still thinks we can do.

This is like a crazy girlfriend who leaves you, moves in next door, and then gets mad at you for not letting her use your WIFI anymore.

There's multiple tiers of service, just like GPS. https://i.imgur.com/VdBobIs.png GPS also has two flavours, public and military. Bill Clinton ended selective availability, so everyone could get accurate positioning, but GPS still has the M-codes that improve on anti-jamming, and only US military equipment can decrypt it. If the US entered a state of war with a large nation, they'd just kill the public service and only they would have location services. That's partly why we have GLONASS, Galileo and BeiDou to begin with.

The EU is still fully accepting of letting the UK return to the EU but that'd be political suicide for the tories so they look out for their own skin instead of the greater good of the country.

I honestly think the EU will welcome them back with open arms. Whether they'd get their old station back is another question.

I'm English, but you assume being born in a country means I endorse the opinions of this country. It'd be ironic if I shared the opinions of the British government, but I don't, so I'm entirely allowed to have my own opinion on the topic. Throughout this thread, I have faced nothing but contempt because people assume I have certain ideas, just because I am from the UK. All I am asking is that people look at the merit of what I am actually saying as opposed to where I am from. Users such as Køleskab have done nothing but spread vitriol simply because of my opinions (this user in particular is an immensely toxic character that is clearly incapable of putting their hateful emotions aside within reasoned debate). I have not stated whether I support the EU or dislike it; it simply is irrelevant to the merit of my argument. If I voted today, I would dispassionately and reluctantly vote to remain in the EU as I believe it is better overall, but an institution immensely flawed by democratic deficit and the neoliberal baggage it carries within - the stance most other members of the Green Party take.

More like if a subscription fee was part payment towards a single end result... It's not really a fair comparison, subscriptions for magazines you get something every month in most cases. In the case of Galileo, the money put towards it by the UK is literally wasted (as far as the UK is concerned) which IMO isn't entirely fair even considering Brexit.

The EU wants military cooperation and threatens this, I think they'll get access in the end anyway, this is simple negotiation tactics with each side pushing buttons.

Except it is. If you helped fund the construction of a swimming pool in your apartment complex, and then you move out of town, you don't just get to come back on site and use the pool whenever you feel like it -- if you do that, you're not a resident, you're trespassing. Leaving the EU means leaving the EU. Maybe this should've been thought of before people voted Leave,,,