UK cries foul over exclusion from EU satellite plan - Sensationalist Headlines

Sorry for long quote, mobile navigation sucks, but I said your country rooted for Brexit, not you personally, and most people in this thread said same - your country and government fucked up. So you taking it personal is taking too much upon yourself. Yeah, UK people are not a hivemind, but you are all in the same boat, that means even if you disagree with your captains crew, you are all still sinking on the Brexitanic. And you cant change anything about that on a gaming forum.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

That's exactly what the EU is doing here though lol. Taken advantage of Britain's very generous funding for the project then cut them out last minute.

Just like how Britain took advantage of the EU until it was going to be asked to take on refugees, right? easy come easy go

Not so fast. They haven't invested "proportionally more than most member states. Not at all. The UK economy is 16% of the EU economy (as of 2016), yet they only account for 12% of all fundings for this project. I hope you know what that means. Also, stop comparing absolute numbers, you can't just go around saying they invested more than most EU members when most EU members barely have a tenth of UK's population.

The British victim complex in this thread is incredible. "You only think we should be excluded from the EU benefits that we willingly flung to the wind in a burst of nationalist pride because you hate us!!!!"

No - you said "What a fucking ironic thing to hear from a resident of a country that did exactly that." as if me being a resident of Britain somehow makes my argument ironic. It wouldn't be ironic if I lived somewhere else, so it's clear that you're using my nationality to damage the merit of my argument. Again, it's not ironic, because I haven't shown any support for those ideas. It'd be ironic if the British government did it, but I'm not the British government and I'm not the entire population of the UK.

Really enjoy simple shit like this that knocks the realisation into people who voted leave that "wtf we dont get the good shit from the EU anymore???????" The fuck did you expect honestly?

But Boris promised things would be great He had that bus that said "things will be great don't worry" written on the side Buses don't lie

It's almost like some of us are beginning to realise just how bad an idea leaving the EU really was. Not that is wish to imply they supported leaving to begin with, they probably didn't. But the outrage over being excluded from EU projects shows that a lot of us might not have considered many of the less obvious (i know i know but i'm speaking relatively here) drawbacks of brexit. It seems unfair, and to be quite honest, that's probably because it is. But It's not like Europe is victimising the UK here. Leave voters asked for this. I think it's bullshit, but what is the EU supposed to do?. Even if they didn't have plenty of reason to be sick of our shit, how are they supposed to shield the UK from the drawbacks of leaving when leaving is the whole problem?. You think this sucks? blame brexit and every shitty politician that advocated for it- both before and after the referendum.

I've honestly never hated 51% of a nation more than the last year.

Genocide is a legit answer... IN some world-views. I don't condone it.

what the fuck?

u ok?

Sure you don't condone it, that's why you brought it up out of nowhere right?

Are you actually going to joke about a genocide against half of my country just because they have a different political opinion? You're such a toxic poster.

I'm from the UK and fully support completely repealing this brexit nonsense. Leave voters fall into a handful of categories: Those who are pissed off with the government or council, and have lashed out in a fairly self-destructive way without realising it ( see daily mail, sky news, all that shit, "this is our england" bollocks ) Those who are anarchists ( thought it would be funny ) Those who genuinely feel the EU is a negative entity and we should no longer be part of it. Those who haven't really thought about it at all and thus don't really have any solid reasons for it. Those who literally don't know what the EU does or the UK's history with the EU and only hear horror stories from questionable journalism. Those who are a bit slow and hate the EU because it's their fault the brown people are here taking """their""" jobs which they weren't qualified for in the first place ( racists ) For some reason, nobody in the above seems to want to hear anything telling them otherwise. Same with Saint Baron ( I apologise for calling you out but you make a great example ) - I think every poster here completely understands what your viewpoint is ( that Britain has contributed a significant amount over plenty of years and therefore deserves to still remain in the deal ). The issue is that whilst that is your opinion, and you are allowed to have that - your view doesn't hold up and is objectively flawed. You have to understand this and change your view accordingly. Numerous posters have said why this is, and their observations are completely valid. To constrew this into "well it's the EU perpetuating an anti-british rhetoric" is willful ignorance and failing to really grasp what's at hand. The UK is saying they are leaving, they are willfully cutting off all ties, including any projects they are currently involved in. There is no "compromise", as the UK is objectively not in the high ground and has absolutely no weight behind their negotiations apart from keeping relationships "OK" as, objectively, Brexit will hit us the hardest, not the EU. For those not sure of the situation: Cuntbags McGee decided to put a vote to leave the EU to give a reason for the UKIP voters to piss off. Virtually no thought or planning was put into this, expecting an easy "nobody will leave" win. Vote leave campaign(s according to our resident shitposter Boilrig) goes full steam ahead with their increibly dodgy and objectively false narrative. Boris Johnson takes a lead in this because he suspects the vote will fail, but his part in it will look good for his CV when he tries to go for conservative leadership. Remain sits and does nothing for a while Remain realises it actually has to do something and starts to do an incredibly mediocre job. Euroskeptic Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the prominently Remain Labour is nowhere to be seen. Theresa May says she is prominently Remain and says that leaving would be disastrous By something stupid like 3%, Britain votes to Leave. As Shithead Cameron failed to consider anything like a Supermajority, this passes. Country is divided. Cameron leaves because he realises he really fucked up, Theresa May takes lead and in order to save her own skin, has to go through with the Brexit deal otherwise she will be regarded as a joke PM for decades to come. Tories shit themselves and go into full Republican Party Lines mode. Boris fucks off because he didn't actually want Brexit to succeed, Knobjockey Farage also fucks off once he tells everyone that the plans to refund the NHS was actually just deliberately misleading and not actually a campaign promise, despite that being something they very heavily implied. Scotland is pissed as one of their major reasons for remaining in the UK was to safeguard their position in the EU, which they have forcefully been removed from. It's easy to say "stop saying that i'm the UK when i'm an individual" but we represent the UK on the global scale and therefore need to make our points heard. In situations like this, your personal opinion will be scaled and compared to that of a majority of people with the same opinion as you, rather than you as an individual's opinion.

UK + friends space program

Lmao that's not exactly comparable. UK being in the EU was an ongoing mutual benefit for both sides involved. Galileo on the other hand is an ongoing project, but the main benefit comes when the project is completed. The way I see it, for projects the UK has been involved in, they logically should be allowed to continue with until the project is completed. That would be the most sensible way of doing it, but unfortunately that would rely on our Government being vaguely competent rather than spinning in circles.

It's tragic seeing the leave-Brits wake up to the lies they've been living in. At least in this way they'll learn about the many agencies and projects that they won't be part of anymore

I think there are legitimate reasons to want to leave. I'd only remain simply out of optimism of fundamentally changing the EU (as well as the obvious incompetence of the government at actually doing it. My main issues with the EU are that it sets the European status quo as one of neoliberalism. I'm a sincere socialist so I see the EU as simply reinforcing neoliberalism across Europe which it does directly through its Eurozone policy and more broadly through EU policy. I guess I'd come under the category of "those who feel that the EU is a negative entity", but that seems very much like a catch-all criteria. Ideally I'd prefer an EU that isn't neoliberal, but I'm also very sympathetic to the case of "Lexit".