Cumberbatch says he will only take new projects if female co-stars get equal pay
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eggs benedict cucumberbatch is such a cool person
Making public statements draw more people to the issue at hand.
Bait is good it acts as a idiot cull and keeps the forum goers sharp.
We should all look up to Bendystraw Cumberbund.
Next thing we know Benedict Cucumber will be doing diversity riders.
Yes, they can finally identify with a king, a super scientist or a black imperialist. There's no normal Wakanda in this film and gee the ratio of white to black in other films is probably around 7-8. You know, like the actual population. Though I have no problem with film casts being accurate to the regions films take place in, the praise this movie got for that is ridiculous (the Shakespearean epic) and shilling because of that agenda is annoying.
Africa is massive yet apparently in Wakanda they speak a mix of Xhosa (South Africa) and some other language from west Africa, even though Wakanda itself is in east Africa. The distances are like from Gibraltar to Urals and it seems to me they just picked the two oppressed regions (even though South Africa was uninhabited to begin with) without a care. There is no African culture in this film, only superficially showing it by clothes from all around Africa and ancestor worship in a fictional way, which might as well could have been done in Papua New Guinea. Unless not having paved roads in your super advanced city, straw roofs on buildings, barbaric succession rituals and having your energy weapon wielding army be matched by guys with clubs (just clubs) is African culture. Seems more like a joke to me though.
No I don't see how it's good for them to see it because I see the concept of identifying with a superhero as ridiculous to begin with. All I saw was the racial tribalism and division reflected on screen. Especially evident by the speech Killmonger gives, where who he is talking about are not his ancestors and he just takes on injustices done to others as his own. If through those lens people see Killmonger as being justified, where he would just be the same shit imperialist (including attacking Hong Kong iirc), then American society is fucked.
You may need nor want role models in your life - but many people do. I don't have any role models myself but I think it's ridiculous to assert that 'people wanting to have relevant role models is ridiculous and not good for them'.
All I saw was the racial tribalism and division reflected on screen.
There's hardly any racial tribalism and division in this movie; so much so that I'm not really assured you actually watched the film. The main overtones weren't racial tribalism and division but the inflexibility of rigidly adhering to time-worn traditions when confronted with radical concepts and the ethics of withholding or sharing technological progress and cultural wealth.
But especially not the 'division' bit. The nearly entire-movie-long running point was 'the tribes are united and fear being divided'. If the tribes weren't united behind keeping the tradition of Wakanda as it was, Killmonger wouldn't have become King; his ascension was only possible due to the tribes being united behind the traditions of the country in question. Then it became a movie about 'changing their minds about tradition' and getting the tribes to see that sometimes tradition must be set aside to prevent a country from being twisted into a mockery of what it set out to be.
Was there some sports-team stuff going on in the background, with Tribes feeling they were better than the others? Sure. Was that 'racial tribalism' or 'division'? No. That's just the Cowboys shit-talking the Packers about how they have the biggest muscles. If the Lannisters are mocking the Starks as stuffy idealist idiots with no appreciation for anything but their own tired and constant doomsaying is that 'racial tribalism' in your mind? What I would see as 'racial tribalism' is if they said 'white-skinned folk are empty-headed idiots unlike everyone else here'; even granted the opportunity to state exactly that, it was made clear that Wakanda feels everyone outside their bubble is unenlightened and wouldn't understand their preserved cultures - which is xenophobia, which is what they actually had, unlike racism which is not what they had.
Wakanda is not a racist ethnostate of tribes. Wakanda is a hypernationalist and traditionalist xenophobic monarchical republic of federated states who share-borders and all have their own unique subculture - much like the lands shown in Game of Thrones. What Killmonger stated was what he thought Wakanda was - which was incomplete and seen through the lens of a child whose only experience with it is second-hand knowledge and painful experiences - informed what he thought it should be. You missed a large part where few thought Killmonger was justified -- but they were bound by tradition to accept him regardless. Again, you seemed to miss that it wasn't that they were tribal or racist or nationalist or even xenophobic that they allowed Killmonger to take the throne - but rigid and inflexible adherence to tradition (which includes honoring any orders given by Wakanda's king, even if they break tradition) backed by fear which put them in that spot.
I really don't know what movie you saw with the impression you've written about it here - but I don't think it was Black Panther.
If you think seeing black people being oppressed and then wanting to fight that oppression makes American society "fucked," then you're a scary individual.
That was Killmonger's motivation. I didn't say his plan was good, or his choices admirable. But the problem he wanted to fix is real. If you deny that, then this discussion is going nowhere.
His character's motivation was a message to society. It's black people's struggles represented.
In fairness they're shown to be a little race-blind as they're so insular and culture-rabid that they almost refuse to even admit that 'there is a world outside Wakanda that has more in it than danger and threats to their society'. Such a xenophobic and insular society probably would see you say 'you should help your people' and hear 'you should help your people -- the human race who lives outside your walls and do not have the same benefits of technology or culture you've been blessed with' rather than 'you should help the suffering black populations'. They may not at large even really know the extent to which the black populations are even suffering -- after allonly the Kings and select few others have ever even left Wakanda's borders.
Perhaps not so much to T'Challa, but to his people: there is Wakanda's people -- and then there is the collective society beyond their borders which they feel is incompatible and corrosive to theirs. The internal division they have with the world at large is not one of race or nation - but simply their culture versus anyone else's. With such a black/white division, T'Challa would definitely say at the end what he did - given that he is speaking for his people and that is what his people would think and say.
Yeah, unless you know what acting is?
One thing is complaining about not having African Americans in the Witcher games, but i think it's pretty legit complaining about the lack of Ghanese or Nigerian actors in a movie whose entire plot and setting is little more than an ignorant hollywood "cultural respect" circle-jerk.
Like these people love you to think how culturally informed and tolerant they are, but as soon as they handle other cultures or countries, they just absolutely puke all over it and call it a celebration of diversity.
Like i get that it's an American story by American people set in a FICTIONAL african nation and that the story is very much about American problems being handled by FICTIONAL african characters very much colored by American sensibilities. All i ask is they don't pull this hypocritical bullshit of selling it as a true modern marvel of cultural and social respect and expend so much energy morally condescending to the rest of the world as if what they did was in any way a higher form of social commentary or in any way contained any insight on present issues in Africa... Because it was little more than a hollywood circle-jerk. Entertaining as FUCK exceptionally well made, but "just" a spectacle in the end.
At least Beasts of no nation really tried to do something. That's why it got so much credit and why the reaction to this film so strongly disgusts me. Black Panther is an awesome action movie. It is never in any reality the epitome of cultural insight and respect.
The movie does actually have a few african actors though. Also I feel like that purpose of the film was made up by media and social advocates, whereas the movie creators themselves never meant that aspect of the movie to do anything other than sell tickets. I mean, we agree on one thing, hollywood social activism exists mostly for marketing reasons.
What's there to not understand. At one point the Dora Milaje woman spells out some of what you are talking here. But I meant Killmonger as a reflection of racial tribalism. It's obviously a place for African Americans to self insert. See the post below yours.
Well good I was uncharitable in my reading. It's good that we can agree that his plans would be bad. There's no way who you are talking of are T'Challa's people though. Only way for that ot be so is to be a racial tribalist and I thought that's a no go nowadays. So no double thinking please.
All I saw was the racial tribalism and division reflected on screen.
Did you only watch 1/3 of the movie? If you mean to say 'all I saw was Killmonger on the screen' then I'm afraid to say you missed Act 1, most of Act 2, and parts of Act 3 in your watch of the movie.
You do realize real Africans do actually speak English with that accent, right ? It's not lazy, it's accurate.
Rob Schneider's joining in
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/996466307003379712
Is he? That tweet sounds like a joke tbh.
Read the last few words.
I think virtue signaling means you take a stand or an action on something, that is usually a none issue, or your actions have little to no actual positive effect, usually because of lack of any research or knowledge about the subject, due to your only reason for doing so is to pander to a specific demographic.
Such as conservatives taking a stance against violent video games, or liberals who continue to permeate the pay gap myth.
I don't think this could be classified as such though.
Virtue signalling is the act of publicly declaring a moral stance on a particular issue, usually with the primary motivation being a public relations stunt, moreso than genuinely holding that moral stance.
An obvious example of virtue signalling would be if David Duke, the leader of the Ku Klux Klan, where to publicly announce his support of a bill that supports the equal treatment of minorities. Given Duke's long and well-documented history, it would be a safe bet to assume that he doesn't sincerely support the bill, and is only saying it to gain brownie points in the eyes of the general public.
A less obvious example of virtue signalling would be if an actor were to make a public claim that they would only accept roles where their female co-stars are paid equally as them, when that actor has no intentions to actually make sure their female co-stars are getting paid the same that they are. If Cumberbatch were virtue signalling here, and I am not saying he is, then that is one possible way that would occur.
Well put, though the example you made, could also be an example of a person reforming their view, genuinely trying to make amends and not necessarily a sign of virtue signaling. People have left the klan before.
I’m not sure what to feel about this though. Does hard evidence exists that prove that this is an issue? And how will he enforce this? Assuming that actors in general are paid measured by something like their calibre x screen time, how will he judge an actress’ worth?
Hollywood can always get another weird looking guy with a weird name.
Yeah, if they insist on the public backlash of doing that for this reason
Hollywood is if nothing else THE place where the pay gap isn-t a myth.
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