Israeli Defence Force Massacres over 50, Wounds 2000 in Annual Nakba Protest - Sensationalist Headlines

I agree. And his statement is clearly asking for the latter.

lmao resorting to 'anti-semitism' so soon? have you ran out of any other ammunition?

You're not convincing anybody when you accuse anyone who is supportive of Israel of being a government-sanctioned shill. I wish I got paid money to make arguments on some inconsequential gaming forum.

Ironically, the largest and loudest anti-Zionists are typically other Jews. But it's impressive to see "anti-semitism" thrown out before the thread even hits page 2, I think thats a new record.

I'm not sure what else you'd call shooting massive numbers of unarmed people. Slaughters perhaps? Murders? Generally when armed forces or police kill large numbers of unarmed protesters in a single incident it is referred to as a massacre.

so what, israel should let the 40k people trying to break down the border wall to get into israel just do it? Hamas has literally told people to bring weapons and given them maps of the shortest route to the nearest Israeli villages. it's very easy to be morally superior when you live in the gated community that's the US, you dont have to worry about this stuff because you dont have an enemy that keeps on trying to attack you.

lmfao i know right? the irony here is so thick and palpable i could spread it on chips and eat it. the ultimate, last-ditch, last-resort accusation of ANTI-SEMITISM is almost never used in the context of, you know, actual anti-semitism? Friendly reminder that having disagreements with the regime of Israel, disagreements with the politics of Israel, and disagreements with pro-Israel shills on internet forums does not make you an anti semite.

I'm sorry, but have Palestinians done something to you personally? Because as far as I know yeah Hamas is a terrorist organization, but it was formed in response to Israel vacuuming up all the land around them with soldiers. If Country A came into my land and took it forcefully because Countries B, C and D attacked A (I haven't really studied the subject but I did read up on the six year war real quick before this comment)

None of the israel "shills" threw the term anti semitic around. For the source: https://m.facebook.com/GNNA.NOW/photos/a.1732452673748897.1073741828.1732384313755733/2086816478312513/?type=3 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdLb4j-X0AEW-J8.jpg:large

Ah yes, I'll trust a vague translation of one Facebook post that's in a language I don't speak, and is hosted by biased sources without an agenda to push, excellent searching Svinnik

Gaza Now, a consistently pro Palestinian Facebook page, is now unreliable because they said something you don't like? If you doubt the translation, put it through Google translate, it says the same thing in a rougher translation. It's a good source, literally straight from the horse's mouth and to ignore it is stupid.

I have an isreali grandmother who saw this and justified it by saying that they are all terrorists... fuck isreal dude, how could a culture that was opressed for thousands of years just straight up murder and opress others.

because they're going to keep on getting away with it. who's going to stop them or criticise them without being called an anti semite?

How about this: Israelis kill more than 50 Palestinians in Gaza protests, health.. But the protests appeared to have a more violent edge than in previous weeks. Some young men brought knives and fence cutters. At a gathering point east of Gaza City, organizers urged protesters over loudspeakers to burst through the fence, telling them Israeli soldiers were fleeing their positions, even as they were reinforcing them.

Gaza now is a primary source that's inside Gaza rn and posting pictures of the riots, way better than the Post reporting on this from the USA

I just LOVE the selective quoting you've got going on here, trying to warp even the truth in this article? Tens of thousands of Palestinians had gathered on the edges of the fenced-off and blockaded territory from midmorning. Many came to peacefully demonstrate, bringing their children and carrying flags. Food stalls sold snacks and music blared... [S]ome young men brought knives and fence cutters. At a gathering point east of Gaza City, organizers urged protesters over loudspeakers to burst through the fence, telling them Israeli soldiers were fleeing their positions, even as they were reinforcing them. Israeli snipers were determined not to allow a breach, and ambulances soon began screaming back and forth from the fence as gunshots rang out. No Israeli soldiers were injured, though, and Israel drew widespread condemnation for an excessive use of force. You can only warp the truth to fit the preferred narrative so much dude lol

I know reading is difficult for you, but seriously dude. The vast majority of demonstrators were unarmed, but near a parking area, a man pulled out an AK-47 and took aim at an Israeli drone dropping leaflets. He let off a stream of bullets into the air and brought it down. Later, more gunfire was heard as Palestinian factions argued over who would keep the downed drown, onlookers said. I am merely pointing out that *some*, as in a small minority out of the tens of thousands of demonstrators, is armed with knives and in some cases assault rifles, and by their own admission intend to cross the border for the purpose of killing Israelis. According to WaPo.

@Svinnik not sure if you're not answering because you can't, or because I'm right, but I'd like you to "educate" me on Palestine from your perspective.

Currently at work so can't give in-depth answer when I'm done, I will. Just pointing out that Gaza is land that israel gave to Palestinians Your point about me living in the us is moot because I'm Israeli- American and visit israel quite often, I'm well aware of the situation there

You're trolling, right? Pretty please with a cherry on top, tell me you're trolling lmao but near a parking area, a man pulled out an AK-47 and took aim at an Israeli drone dropping leaflets. He let off a stream of bullets into the air and brought it down. Later, more gunfire was heard as Palestinian factions argued over who would keep the downed drown, onlookers said. Ah, yes, this completely and fully justifies the Israeli Defense Force murdering over 50 Palestinian people and wounding over 2000 Palestinian people.. What kool-aid are you drinking? Seriously, what enforces these opinions in your mind other than literal brainwashing and propaganda? Please enlighten us why this, in your eyes, is a perfectly okay situation.

Are you saying that it is not possible, or even unlikely, for 50 people to have had actual weapons out of the 40,000?

I don't understand why speculation on the subject is even had here when the only people with access to the data will be investigation teams on the ground (none of which will be unbiased, whether Israeli or otherwise) and the people actually doing the shooting. Why are you people arguing on which hypothesis as to why the people got shot is right when you have absolutely no way of confirming it as of now?

I find it extremely unlikely, bordering on impossible, that even a fraction of those 50 people had actual weapons out of the 40,000. I'm not alone on this opinion either. We're talking about a place where innocent people are killed all the time.

There was never an independent Palestine for Israel to steal from. Gaza was taken from Egypt and the West Bank from Jordan, both from wars that Israel did not start. In fact, the one war that Israel did start - the 6 Day War - they gave back the Sinai which would have more than doubled Israel's land size. I don't get this idea that Israel "took Palestine by force" when the 1948 war was a defensive war for Israel.

Uuuuhm.. what? Palestine

Where in there does it say Palestine was an independent state at any point in time? They had a chance in 1948, but all the Arab nations around the region went for a land grab and denied it to them.

I think it's important to draw a distinction between Israel's faults in the high-level/strategic level (aka, settlements and Palestinian treatment) versus the tactical level (how the IDF handles specific incidents like these riots) I'm Israeli and I disagree with our government's policy towards settlements, and I recognize that the timing of moving the embassy could've been better. But, when looking at how the IDF operates from a tactical perspective, ignoring the poltical context behind these events - I can't really see a better way for the IDF to handle these incidents. Even with a very strict ROE there are going to be casualties, when you have a platoon of soldiers and maybe a tank or two, versus hundreds of angry protesters, dozens of rioters throwing molotovs and launching burning kites, and maybe a small group of legit terrorists with bombs and hot weapons, all huddled up together - there's only so much that teargas and rubber bullets can do, ultimately you have to resort to lethal force in order to prevent them from crossing the border and reaching Israeli towns that are just ~2 miles away. If they do cross the border, the results will be disasterous. It's impractical to arrest them at this scale, and even if most of those who would attempt to cross the border won't do anything harmful and just make a point, you can be assured that many will have hostile intentions and would try to harm Israeli residents.(It'd be extremely naiive to think otherwise) It's a shame that the Palestinians always resort to methods of violence, if these were legitimately peaceful protests - that would've really helped their cause. Although they do gain a lot in the international PR front, ultimately it's the Israeli public's opinion that they need to sway if they wish to further their goals.

There is a video showing the gunning down of most of these dead Palestinians, including some of the wounded, in good clarity? I would like to see that one, if you can link it. Saying some of them are shot indiscriminately by bloodthirsty disproportionate power wielding fuckers who will get their ass covered is different than saying not a single one of them posed any threat to anything. Also if my memory from the military serves me well, the standard procedure in situations like these is shooting (the official term is neutralizing, but you've seen the videos) people refusing to stop (not to kill, unless they pose a clear threat), a thing officers are very anal about as the whole events around Elor Azaria clearly demonstrated.

Based on what? We know that Hamas had the stated goal of making a breach in the border for the purposes of causing "havoc" within Israel. We know that grenades/bombs/guns/etc. have already been found among the "protesters." We also know that Hamas uses civilians and children as human shields all the time. It's one of their well known tactics. We also know that quite a few of the people shot are already confirmed members of Hamas's military wing. As a side note, even a fence cutter is dangerous. What would you like them to do about a bunch of guys running up to the fence with cutters? Once a breach is made, you'll have hundreds, if not thousands, of people rushing to get in. If you want to see a lot of death, then that would be the way to ensure it.

Damn that sucks, though to be expected for the ultra Zionist bullshit that the government is.