Kerbal Space Program EULA grants TakeTwo permission to take personal information - Sensationalist Headlines

As much as I like Red Dead, I'm at a point in my life where I'm willing to miss out on a game here and there over some total bullshit

I guess I'll have to go further than adblockers and start firewalling the shit out of everything.

I suggest that you and everyone else take a look at the privacy policy. https://www.take2games.com/privacy/ Look that that quote in context and you'll understand there's no issue. People are quoting it out of context in an attempt to scare people. I'll even provide the context here: [quote]WHAT PERSONAL AND OTHER INFORMATION DOES THE COMPANY COLLECT? Personal information is information that identifies you and that may be used to contact you online or offline. The Company collects personal information from you on a voluntary basis. When you submit personal information to the Company, it will usually take the form of: Registration for Online Services, websites, jobs, products, contests, and special events; Subscribing to newsletters or alerts; Posting in or commenting on our message boards, forums, news blogs, chat rooms, or other Online Services; Purchasing a product or services through our online stores; Purchasing downloadable content, virtual items, or virtual currency for use with our software and/or Online Services; Using "tell a friend," "email this page," or other E-Card features; Requesting technical support; Downloading demos, programs, or other software; Participating in polls, surveys, and questionnaires; or Otherwise through use of our software, including console products, mobile products, and personal computer products, and through the use of our online products or Online Services where personal information is required for use and/or participation. The types of information collected in connection with the activities listed above will vary depending on the activity. The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use. Prize winners may be required to provide additional information for prize fulfillment.[/quote] As you can see, that list of information applies specifically to information that you might voluntarily provide Take2 in the event you make a purchase or register on the forums, for example. It's not anything collected by the game. There's a separate section talking about what's collected by the game, and it's been confirmed true by various players analyzing the data that is sent: [quote]WHAT GAMEPLAY INFORMATION DOES THE COMPANY COLLECT? When you use products or services on internet-capable hardware, the Company may receive information regarding your gameplay without any additional notice to you or actions taken by you. The Company will not receive personal information such as your name and address, but may receive other information such as a console ID, gaming service ID, game achievements, game scores and performance, IP address, MAC address, or other device ID, other console/device use information, or other information and statistics regarding your usage of the games. Information about gameplay may be collected while you are offline and transmitted to the Company when you next connect to the Internet whether or not you are currently logged into your Internet Connection from your console, handheld, mobile device, computer, or other gaming platform. The Company may combine the information with your personal information and use such information as set forth in this Privacy Policy whether or not you register for or use the Online Services. The Company may also monitor gameplay information by automated means to ensure that software and services are used in accordance with applicable policies, including the Terms of Service and the End User License agreement. The Company reserves the right to terminate your license if you violate these policies.[/quote] As I've clearly shown, this review bombing is caused by ignorance. If you take the time to look at the privacy policy, everything should become clear. When people just go off the out of context quotes posted in negative reviews and copy/paste it into their own negative review, they're just spreading ignorance. It's sad, but true. KSP is not spyware. No personal information is collected except for what you voluntarily provide to them so they can provide a service to you.

Being against privacy because you personally don't feel like you need it is one of the most evil things I can think of.

Who's doing that?

A lot of people feel like collecting telemetry should be standard practise. Other people think that if you have nothing to lose there's no reason to want privacy.

Are you saying you have an issue with the data they do collect through the game? I don't personally consider anonymous data to be a threat to privacy.

What part of this blob: The types of information collected in connection with the activities listed above will vary depending on the activity. The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use. Prize winners may be required to provide additional information for prize fulfillment. Is confusing to you? I don't want any of this stored or collected at any point. Of course it's voluntary because the moment you sign up or open the game you've voluntarily agreed to that EULA/Privacy Agreement. Oh, did I also mention this section is also explicitly stated in the EULA you voluntarily agree to when playing the game? By installing and using the Software, you consent to the information collection and usage terms set forth in this section and Licensor's Privacy Policy, including (where applicable) (i) the transfer of any personal information and other information to Licensor, its affiliates, vendors, and business partners, and to certain other third parties, such as governmental authorities, in the U.S. and other countries located outside Europe or your home country, including countries that may have lower standards of privacy protection; (ii) the public display of your data, such as identification of your user-created content or displaying your scores, ranking, achievements, and other gameplay data on websites and other platforms; (iii) the sharing of your gameplay data with hardware manufacturers, platform hosts, and Licensor's marketing partners; and (iv) other uses and disclosures of your personal information or other information as specified in the above-referenced Privacy Policy, as amended from time to time. If you do not want your information used or shared in this manner, then you should not use the Software. Yes, that same exact Privacy Policy that you thought was only limited to forums or some shit is also very deliberately and explicitly used in the game. Not only that, the information they collect is sold off to third party affiliates, vendors, and business partners, ** and it admits to it in the EULA. ** Feel free to call others ignorant but to me it seems like you're the one trying to fanboy for KSP and not accepting the reality in front of you. And just for good measure, here's the Terms of Service that also explicitly state that you are bound by the invasive Privacy Policy while playing the game. All access to and use of the Software is subject to this Agreement, the applicable Software documentation, Licensor's Terms of Service, and Licensor's Privacy Policy, and all terms and conditions of the Terms of Service are hereby incorporated into this Agreement by this reference. These agreements represent the complete agreement between you and Licensor relating to use of the Software and related services and products and supersede and replace any prior agreements between you and Licensor, whether written or oral. To the extent there is a conflict between this Agreement and the Terms of Service, this Agreement shall control.

Could someone who knows a thing or two about GDPR take a look at this? Shouldn't this shit be illegal from now on?

How about you look at the "blob" in context? It specifically applies to information you provide VOLUNTARILY through activities such as making a purchase or signing up for the forums. It has nothing to do with playing the game. Voluntary meaning you don't have to do it. You don't have to register on the forums, or sign up for a newsletter, or register for a contest or use the "tell a friend" feature. You can play the game without Take2 ever having any of your personal information. Of course the privacy policy applies to the game. I never suggested otherwise. That's why it states clearly what is and isn't collected by the game. There's nothing at all that would allow them to sell data. The limited circumstances that they would share any data are detailed in the privacy policy, such as a court order. That second "blob" clearly states that no personal information is collected by the game. The IP address is used to help them analyze their marketing. If you click on an ad and from there purchase the game, they'll be able to tell that ad generated a sale. This EULA/privacy policy is in response to GDPR. They now have to detail all personal information that could possibly come into their possession and why. There's nothing malicious going on. All it takes is a little bit of reading, which you have either done selectively or failed to do at all.

Yes and you voluntarily choose to play the game, binding you to the EULA and the Privacy Agreement's collections. Seems like you're the one selectively reading. If you read you'd see the info it collects is used in conjunction with the info collected by the Privacy Policy. The EULA very literally says they are giving your information to third parties, it's a cold hard fact. You can choose to accept it or ignore it, there's no arguing with it there. Anyway you've come off as a pretty heavy shill to me (I only noticed you specifically joined to defend T2/KSP after I had written my post) so I won't be continuing my argument with you because arguing with a brick wall is rather pointless.

lmao. You're selectively reading and ignoring the facts in my posts. It's true that playing the game binds your to the EULA and privacy policy, but you actually have to read those documents to understand. You're twisting the privacy policy's explanation of how personal information is provided to Take2 voluntarily. No personal information is collected by the game. That's explicitly stated in the second "blob" in my original post. If you had read the first "blob" in context, you'd realize that list of information is information you could potentially send them voluntarily to make a purchase or register for the forums, for example. That's what "The Company collects personal information from you on a voluntary basis." is referring to. It has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game. That's so clear if you read the context instead of doing what the negative reviewers do and look at a list of information and freak out through ignorance. You can't just read the EULA without reading the privacy policy. Think of the EULA as the broad strokes and the privacy policy as the details. The privacy policy details the limited circumstances in which information may be shared. There is nothing allowing them to sell information or just share it with whomever they want. WITH WHOM DOES THE COMPANY SHARE MY INFORMATION? The Company may also share your personal information with third parties as described in this Privacy Policy. The Company may share your personal information to fulfill a request you have made, such as signing up for an email list or requesting customer support. In the event we offer services or promotions where your personal information is separately collected and used according to the privacy policy of a third party, we will inform you of that at the time of collection and you may elect not to participate in the service or promotion. In addition, we may share aggregate and other information regarding Online Service usage statistics and user demographics with third parties. We may share your personal and other information with third parties in connection with an investigation of fraud, intellectual property infringements, or other activity that is illegal or may expose you or us to legal liability, including as required by law enforcement or other government officials. We also may share your personal and other information with third parties when we have reason to believe that a disclosure is necessary to address potential or actual injury or interference with our rights, property, operations, users, or others who may be harmed or may suffer loss or damage, or when we believe that disclosure is necessary to protect our rights, investigate, or enforce our policies, terms and conditions, combat fraud and/or comply with a judicial proceeding, court order, or legal process served on the Company. In addition, your personal and other information may be disclosed to a potential or actual successor or assign in connection with a proposed or consummated merger, acquisition, reorganization, bankruptcy, or other similar event involving all or a portion of the Company, the Company's customer information may be transferred to our successor or assign. A pretty heavy shill? Everything I've said has been supported by the privacy policy, including posting excerpts from it with full context. If you choose not to respond, that's an acknowledgment that you have no argument. If you can actually show me something that proves something nefarious is going on, do so. I've debated this with a lot of people and the only arguments people make is using out of context quotes or twisting things to try to fit their narrative. You're welcome to try though.

A damn shame since i loved the shit out of this game. Even though the history of the developers getting underpaid and other corporate bullshit always gives me a sour taste in my mouth everytime i play it. Cause im basically playing a game that was pretty much made like in a programmer sweat shop.

Try reading my posts, or just read the privacy policy. It's very clear that the game doesn't collect personal information.

Thank you for admitting defeat to my fact-supported posts.

Play it as you normally would because there isn't an issue. The game collects anonymous analytics and hardware information. No personal information is collected by the game. That's explicitly stated in the privacy policy. All personal information is acquired by Take2 on a voluntary basis. Simply put, if you didn't give it to them, they don't have it. You'd provide Take2 with personal information as part of making a purchase (name, billing address, e-mail address, payment info) or registering on the forums (username, e-mail address, possibly a photo for an avatar or signature), for example. Based on the post "ratings" on this thread, the sad fact is that many people here have jumped on the baseless "KSP is spyware" bandwagon without taking a few minutes to research it themselves. I've already proven the claims to be false in other posts in this thread, but people would rather try to dismiss me as a "shill" than have a legitimate discussion or admit that they're wrong. Long story short, you can safely play KSP. The only data that may be collected is anonymous. No personal information is collected by the game. No personal information is required to play the game. Privacy policy: https://www.take2games.com/privacy

I'm now closing this since it's clear hbk is just bumping this to strawman more people.