• NFL bans kneeling during the anthem, teams will be fined for it
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Seconded, I always thought that shit was creepy and zombie like
The national anthem is inherently political. Once you include it, you've made it political.
Because the NFL's outspoken political position isn't commitment to American ideals, it's commitment to the status quo of American society. Their employees, including players, are expected to behave consistently with that political message, and face repercussions or firing for publicly deviating from the company's values. I don't know how people can possibly claim that the inclusion of the anthem is apolitical; it's always been a calculated political inclusion since back when the NFL literally built a brand around patriotism. Any company is going to reprimand or fire employees who draw scrutiny for public actions that contradict the company's stated values, and that's exactly what's been happening with the NFL. They've built up their brand on the basis of unwavering Americana, and are now finding that that political position isn't as universally accepted as it used to be, and they're trying to enforce it in the face of increasing backlash.
Gonna be a lot of unpaid fines from this.
The moment they started playing the national anthem and take money from the DoD for advertising, they did. They brought this onto themselves. They're taking tax payers money that they don't deserve.
The national anthem is not the pledge of allegiance. The national anthem exists independent of political opinion. The national anthem does not care if a republican or a democrat is in office. It is display of pride for the nation as a concept whether it's in a period of hurt or prosperity. The song is literally about a state of war where it was unsure if the country would still be there tomorrow. Standing for the national anthem is not a sign of support for the government at all. It's a sign of support for the idea of the United States. Kneeling is a display that you think it's hurting.
National anthem doesnt mean shit when the country is turning over to a facist. Its ironic people say its about a nation fighting for freedom, when said people are demanding unending loyalty to the republic that is taking away that freedom to resist. If people want to not stand of a shit nation thats their right. Being forced to stand or else is the complete opposite of what the song stands for.
That's a very interpreted look at what an anthem is
I think the US is definitely hurting so everyone who wants to kneel, should.
You, nor anyone else has to respect the anthem.
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Guess they'll have to rename the New England Patriots now, obviously too much of a political name to have in the game.
https://twitter.com/VP/status/999348017244397568
No one would care about BLM kneeling during a protest. That cartoon is just idiotic. The problem people have is using the NFL platform, something that's traditionally be a place of non-partisan patriotism (The support of the national anthem and connection with the military wasn't associated with one political party or another. Both republicans and democrats were able to express patriotism for the country, ignoring their policy differences for at least a little while.), as a place to push partisan politics.
They should have banned it from the beginning, now they look spineless for allowing it under the auspices of freedom of expression. What a bunch of cowards.
Again I want to stress that there is nothing partisan about what Colin Kaepernick was trying to do. Trump might have made it partisan but that was never it's intended purpose.
It was clearly a partisan issue from the beginning. Thinking that you're objectively in the right doesn't suddenly make something non-partisan. The equating of BLM protesters with Kapernick is the part that's silly. They are in totally different situations with different expectations.
Since when is trying to protest against police on black shootings a partisan issue? The time it came partisan is when your lord and savior decided to say protesting at all is unamerican. And Pence just fucking proved they turned it into a partisan issue in his shitpost of #winning. #winning? more like #oppression.
It became a partisan issue when BLM through truth out the window and made anyone who didn't critique shootings like that of Michael Brown a racist.
Excuse me what? how in the hell did you connect those dots. BLM has always been about police brutality on blacks. Just because you hear fringe groups doesn't mean the overall message is clear. All Kaepernik was doing was kneeling to show is displeasure of the current state of the union with the same idea BLM is based on. Just because you think blacks being shot/detained/harassed more often by cops is a partisan issue, doesn't mean it is. The only time it did become partisan was when trump opened his gob to scream about it being unamerican to get freedom points. That led to players taking a knee to show displeasure also since now the fucking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is attacking a fellow athlete who is quietly protesting. Before trump opened up his asshole of a mouth to spew his hateful shit, no one cared about him kneeling.
Let's watch an interview with the guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka0446tibig
Those aren't the majority of blacks and the ones that are vocal don't speak for all black people.
You shouldn't be surprised that the politics of the right are unpopular with non-white people.
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"quickly! How do we make ourselves look as strong as possible? I got it! Ban any dissenting opinions and turn this event into safe space! That will show how fearless we are!"
Let's go to the only real "official" black lives matter source: blacklivesmatter.com. Here's a list of their "guiding principles:" Diversity Restorative Justice Globalism Queer Affirming Unapologetically black Collective Value Empathy Loving Engagement Transgender Affirming Black Villages Black Women Black Families Intergenerational Notice how these go far beyond police brutality. They also say, and I quote: "A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism." So, please, don't tell me how the propping up of cases like Michael Brown and generalized left-wing rhetoric is some fringe belief. It's been core from the very beginning of the chant "hands up don't shoot," a phrase based on false testimony. The whole racial argument is objectively partisan,, whether you think it should be or not. There are generalized sides who strongly disagree about both the problem and the solutions. That's what partisan means. This is and has always been about more than black people being "shot/detained/harassed" more often by cops.
Seeing all of this shit happening with the NFL really makes me interested in how the new XFL will preform. It's already stating it won't be about politics, but it's run by Vince McMahon so who knows.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/999408408146071553
Patriotism is political you mong
It's political, but it doesn't have to be partisan, and wasn't in the context of the NFL.
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