Elon Musk attacks media 'lies', vows to launch journalist-rating site - Sensationalist Headlines

It looks like he's about to say rich people but at the same time he's rich and that's a classic dogwhistle so he's bringing out all the nazis on twitter with their charts of jewish journalists. 🤢

Hmmm I wonder who does he thinks (((owns))) the press?

I've been largely neutral on musky for a while now but the fact that he still hasn't even tried to re-contextualize that is concerning to say the least.

Look who joined in https://twitter.com/TheRealStanLee/status/1000552589308477441

To be fair, Tony Stark is also an egomaniacal douche, to a degree.

It's incredible, but not surprising, how easy it is for someone to throw away any goodwill they have in the pursuit of power.

"Egomaniacial douche" basically sums up Tony Stark's character in Act 1 (and arguably Act 2) ((and possibly Act 3)) of the original Iron Man film. As to Elon's dog whistle, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not actively aware that's a dog-whistle. Given his stance on media as previously described in this thread, I am pretty certain he intended to take that statement in the direction of "the corporations that these media outlets are talking about, and the corporations who lobby for and against political agendas that these media outlets stand for and against." Elon strikes me as the kind of person who could feasibly be aloof to the dog-whistle context of that statement. Not saying he is, just that I would believe it if it came out that he was genuinely unaware of it. It's not a well-known secret that Elon lives in his own little world, that is more than a bit divorced from reality. I can absolutely see him considering such things irrelevant to his personal sphere.

The tweet doesn't look anywhere near as bad in context with the tweet he was replying to, I can easily see this as being unintentional, people just want to see nazis in every shadow.

To be fair, in the comics Stark did at one point start rounding up people in camps because they resisted his new world order.

What exactly is objectionable about this? It's pretty well-established that the vast majority of media is owned by a small number of corporations AKA a small number of very rich people. It's making a pretty big leap to assume he's talking about Jews.

I mean...he has just gone through the media wrangler himself and somehow come out the other side not totally fucked. I can see why he'd be at least a bit supportive of someone who usually isn't having Twitter meltdowns having a go at the media. I'm sure Elon has good intentions and all that, but this Twitter escapade hasn't helped his image in the media I'm sure.

It's not a stand alone tweet imo since it's a reply it's more like him stepping on a rake.

Current media has a better track record of recording errors and releasing corrections than any alternative source of information, most of which has bigger unchecked agendas behind them.

There is a gigantic difference between "Literally all media is fake news" and "Media sources X, Y, and Z do not report factually". Remember kids, if you don't major in something, you literally can't know anything about it and your opinion is completely invalid.

Anyone who has this reaction to the tweet is doing the very thing Musk is calling out. Congrats on playing yourselves.

I have to say i really don't understand why anyone would think Elon for some reason is attacking jews. This is just going over my head.

"The Jews ( (((they))) ) control the media/the economy/everything" is a very, very, very, old and storied dogwhistle. Probably up there as one of the most popular. Anyone who's ever been exposed to a lick of that rhetoric will see/make that connotation instantaneously.

I like how he made a poll on twitter. The fuck he thinking?

He's definitely not but I would have not phrased it that way/asked that sort of question.

So if anyone makes a sentence similar to that, you instantly assume they refer to Jews? That makes no sense to me. He's probably referring to corporations.

Yes, but given who he is, and the fact that he's running a bunch of companies that are only valuable because of speculation, is it really reasonable to assume that he'd make a tweet that would serve no purpose other than assassinating his career?

TBH, a site where you can wikipedia-style quote articles and cite evidence that goes against the statement + context would be pretty cool if it truly went mainstream. But purely as an aggregator for sources and compiler which says how much, factually, a news source has lied, not some reddit style upvoting echo chamber piece of shit.

Also you know, the context of the tweet he’s replying to matters. The tweet he replied to said >You're very smart so I want you to think about this for a second. Do you think it's in the interest of powerful people to A: support a free press that exposes their lies, or B: tear it down so their lies are easier to tell? Now ask yourself why the polls would look bad. it’s not some “dogwhistle”. He’s literally saying that powerful people own the media.

I didn't assume anything, and I know he was 99% referring to economically powerful individuals and corporations. I'm just explaining why the connotation exists in the first place, and why it's so easy for people to get caught up in it.

Its not dismissive bullshit. We wouldn't people like Jordan Peterson walking around literally spewing bullshit because they shield themselves with PHDs when the actual people in those fields are rolling their eyes or smacking their heads against their desk. Elon Musk has a history of being flippant with people in fields he disagrees with when he himself is not educated at all. My personal favorite being the time he disregarded several transpiration and traffic experts because he hates buses. This is a very real phenomenon that happens at all levels because the more time you dedicate to a single field, the more narrow your previews are because of how complex things are. Its been shown, through statistical data that the Renaissance Man is dead, there is just far too much data, research and information out there for someone to have multiple backgrounds that aren't highly connected. You can have a basic understanding of different fields but with just how intricate, unwieldy and massive those fields have become, you cannot and will not have the same level of knowledge as someone whose majored in that field. So to be dismissive of them because you don't like what they're saying and don't even bother backing it up is insulting to say the least. This isn't about reducing people down to their college education, this is about them, having succeed in college or life in general getting to big for their breeches and thinking they have an answer for everything and often will inject themselves into conversations where they know fuck all. Elon Musk is definitely, one of those people. However, unlike most well educated people who do this and get ignored, people like Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson et al, have a rabid fan base that will constantly defend them.

Yeah, a lot of the time, people with cults of personality are given more credit than they deserve when talking about X topic. But what you said was As a reminder: This is why you don't listen to engineers, computer science majors and any other major who is talking about a field way outside their own per views. which is very much dismissive bullshit and is an entirely different message than what you just said. Even more so because it doesn't apply to this article whatsoever, because the core concept of "we should be able to have a better understanding of which sources are credible and which ones aren't" is not flawed. At all. It's reasonable to say that this is a bad idea because it's up for public vote, but there is literally nothing wrong with wanting to call out Fox, CNN, or The Daily Mail and others on their bullshit. In absolutely no circumstance should you automatically dismiss someone and their ideas based solely on prejudice. Which is what that is, for the record.

Because I've explained that longer post on several occasions, especially in Peterson threads, it gets aggravating. And also, yes, calling out major media for biases are important. The problem? They already are called out, on a near daily basis. Outside of republican circles, Fox News is laughed at. CNN has the reputation about as decent as the tensile strength of a wet piece of toilet paper and the Daily Mail is often regarded as only just barely a step above a Tabloid. He's not saying anything new, nor is he contributing anything when we already have an aggregate fact checker such as Wikipedia but also professional sources such as Snopes. He's not saying anything new, he's just regurgitating an incredibly tired war cry that amounts to fuck all. And his idea to solve it is even worse because it requires mob mentality.

You've brought up JP twice now in this thread, how is he relevant at all? Your longer post is still just saying "I am prejudiced and think that people should stay in their lane" in a much more long-winded fashion. If modern media is already being rightfully crapped on, then how could another source to do so cause harm? Your criticism wasn't of the fact that it was a vote, it was of the fact that there was criticism. The options aren't that you trust media or that you go to 'alternative sources', there are steps between those two.

Engineers form an important role and many are not wrench bearers, often its trade workers that do that. I went to a Comp-Sci/Engineer heavy university so I know how Mech-Es, EEs, AeroEngies and Civil Engineers differ in their own specific fields. And they can learn more than just engineering, the issue is that often times they didn't while I was attending, they would complain the most about having to take certain Humanities courses. Also my critism is that we already have those steps, we have fact checkers. We have people doing their job, but Elon Musk is so mad he's throwing them under the bus as well. He's being just as dismissive as I was accidentally being. And while I can attribute my own to terrible writing, he has a history of being dismissive. Adding more sources of fact checking is great, and I applaud it. Doing it because you're want to be spiteful is not something to applaud.

It's blatantly obvious to me, and others that this website isn't a proper watchdog for the media, it's just a cudgel for Musk to use against any publication or site that publishes unflattering coverage of him or his company. Even if such a site was being made by someone who didn't have an axe to grind, it falls flat on its basic premise given the absurdities produced by other crowd sourced media sites. Given the politically charged nature of this, you don't think t_d, /pol/, or voat would take the opportunity and run wild with this?