Armed Civilians kill gunman after 3 shot at Oklahoma restaurant - Sensationalist Headlines

How is trying to compare countries of similar political ideals on an issue "goalposting". Its stupid if I say any country and i just get 3 citations of bumfuckistan or whatever, where the politics of these countries would be unstable and vastly different. But maybe the United States is more comparable to bumfuckistan than sensible countries in Europe, my apologies. Also lol what. PLENTY of European countries allow sports shooting as a valid reason for owning a firearm. God I'm really tired right now but if I can be arsed I'll make a nice excel sheet of every European country plus New Zealand, United States, Australia and Canada going over the specifics of gun laws and certain data points. I'll prevent it without any bias and just give statistics, even dividing up the gun accident, suicide, and homicide rates for you.

Nah this is wrong, there are plenty of clubs all over Europe full of people who aren't rich and aren't hunters. I agree with the sentiment but not when Americans try to make Europe seem like a hopeless case

Granted it's not a total outright ban of everything because that's now how it works and you moved the goalposts a little. We were trying to point out that gun registries are abused against gun owners, so here's some examples of that. Norway is doing it right now. From the Firearms thread on here: Flecktyphus posted: This is the list, strikethrough are the ones who get removed: Winchester M/100 Browning BAR (med unntak av Browning BAR M/1918) Remington Modell four Remington modell 7400 Remington 742 Woodmaster Ruger mini 14 Ruger mini 30 Heckler & Koch SLB 2000 Marlin Camp Carbine 9mm Marlin Camp Carbin .45ACP Valmet Petra Valmet Hunter Voere modell 2185 Vepr Super Vepr Pioneer Vepr Hunter Benelli Argo Sauer mod 303 Carl Gustav 2000 light/Carl Gustav 2000 Classic Vapen, Merkel SR 1 Remington 750, Heckler & Koch modell 770 Garand mod M 1 Garand mod M 1 C Garand mod M 1 D Mauser mod G-41 Walther mod G-41 So, aside from the fact that we can still buy Browning BAR Matches with 20 rounds mags and pistol grips while the Veprs and Valmets get banned.. we can still somehow buy the Camp Carbines. You can get 30 round mags for literally $50 a piece. I guess that means there is hope we can actually get to buy Ruger PCCs for hunting here. If they get allowed I'm selling my AR the next day and ordering a PCC with an Aimpoint and suppressor!!!!!!! Yes weapons from WW2 are being banned. (had to use the quote button here because for some reason actually quoting that post doesn't carry over the strikethrough) Flecktyphus posted: They're only going to be allowed for collecting again (like they were since 2004). If you have one registered for hunting you need to do one of these options: Sell it to someone who can own it Sell it to a country where it's legal Deactivate it Hand it in for destruction Or also that time when a news organization published the name and addresses of every legal gun owner in New York. Or when Massachusetts issued letters to every License to Carry (LTC) permit holder, threatening up to life in prison for simple possession of "rate increasing devices" like bumpfire stocks or trigger cranks. Or when the NYPD sent letters to permit holders telling them to modify or surrender their weapons if they hold more than a certain number of rounds (5 for rifles, 10 for pistols, and you can't load the 10 round pistol magazines to more than 7 rounds because that totally makes sense). Or when registries can just be flatout closed creating a defacto ban as demonstrated by the Hughes Amendment. None of this shit which actually does anything to reduce gun violence. Nobody trusts people who argue for gun control when it keeps leading to "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" type bullshit. Arguing in good faith is no longer a valid option. At this point the only time I'd even consider any further gun regulations would be if they don't have a registry, don't ban firearms by type or features, don't add unreasonable costs/taxes to deter/disenfranchise firearms ownership, and don't try other sneaky bullshit methods of backdoor bans like restricting popular ammunition like the ATF tried to by reclassifying rifle rounds as armor piercing pistol ammunition.

The UK also used its registry to go around and pick up guns and Canada also uses theirs to enforce arbitrary retroactive type bans. Aus too. Very common in Commonwealth countries.

I'm more concerned by the fact that without fail, someone turns tragedy and horrific circumstances into debates about gun control and occasionally broad sweeping statements about all gun owners. I'm glad these two were able to stop the would-be killer before anyone actually died, and they did that with legal circumstances of personal concealed carry. Without that, potentially several people would've been killed or worse. Is it really that hard to look at some sort of silver lining instead of pretty much going "america is retarded for letting everyone buy guns willy nilly"?

Comparing countries in regards to guncrime-gunlaws-gun ownership-ect. Is honestly dumb. The laws arent just different, but the culture, healthcare, people, population, demographics, ect. Are all different. Youre comparing 2 completely different things looking for 2 similar data points. And those European countries dont let you own anything beyond a pump action shotgun or a 22lr bolt action rifle, hold for a few places like Norway which are in the process of restricting gun laws further. But again, comparing apples to oranges isnt very smart so none of this matters anyways. What works in Europe probably wont work in America.

Or the FOPA, aka "Okay we'll give you an inch... But we're taking a mile!" FOPA was the only gun control bill meant to be in favor of gun owners and they still managed to take. That is why nobody trusts gun control advocates not to just take take take, because historically, that's what they do.

The telling thing to me is the resistance to an amendment to such a registry that would prohibit closure and/or use as a confiscation measure. That unwillingness is concerning at best. If they want "good faith" or "compromise," they could gain a lot of ground - legitimate, agreeable ground - by showing good faith and willingness to actually compromise first.