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Nice edit, but you literally put words in my mouth as I literally at no point said violence has never created positive change. You made an argument, failed to back it up, so I asked you to back it up.

What you mean all of them? I can't think of a single movement other than Ghandis that got results without some idiots looking for an excuse to burn down their own city or shoot civil servants.

The thing about violent organizations like black panther is that they didn't develop in isolation. Black people in America where getting killed left and right, between bombings, lynching, and shootings, all throughout the 20th century and long before. It's not like they were using violence for no reason. But I dunno if it's a similar context for the suffragettes

This might be a poor analogy, but here goes. You're in a debate with someone with opposing views in front of an audience. You have legitimate points but are failing to convince the audience because the change you are suggesting either inconveniences them or goes against their deeply engrained world view. You may not win this debate, but at least you are changing some people's minds, and change is a gradual process, so eventually you may win the war. However, you want your changes now, not later. Frustrated that you aren't making immediate progress, you flip your podium and start to roughen up your opponent because he is keeping you from the change you want. Do you think the audience will be more sympathetic to your cause? Do you think people will see you as the victim? Do you think your violence will intimidate those in charge to appease you? Do you think the media will present your actions favorably? Humans have generally moved past using force to convince others in our day to day lives. We do not raise our fists unless our life is in imminent danger, we find other ways to get desired outcomes and changes. Many people in history have seen the value of non-violent, persuasive methods to change minds and these people are leaders who cultivate a good image, because peaceful people are viewed more favorably. Violence is necessary in some cases (tyrannical dictators, occupying forces, slavery, where people's literal lives are at stake) but there's other ways to change minds without fists in modern democracy. Befriending the right people in power, showing the humanity behind your movement, presenting logical and sensible points, using leverage, forcing change via social, economic or political methods, etc. Look at gay marriage or marijuana legalization in America - we didn't have gay stoner fire bombers or groups dedicated to using violence to force people to allow same sex marriages/pot brownies, gradual peaceful methods have been used over the last few decades to change minds. Statistical data, media showing people the humanity of people who were thought of as "deviants", political pushes, media outreach, community outreach, etc. When you want meaningful change in a democracy, you need to convince the majority of people that your changes are necessary and just. By using violence, you taint your movement's image, show that you are not peaceful, that you are a threat, and people generally see you as uncivilized and unjust.