I genuinely don't think Easy D has ever apologized for offending anyone.
Wow that's quite the far reaching imagination you have there. Tell me, what direct comparisons can be made between kneeling during the national anthem, and someone directly calling someone else a pretty huge racial slur? Even Fox was like, "That's so racist even we can't defend it."
And im saying your point has no leg to stand on considering one is protesting the government in an peaceful and respectful manner, and the other is a woman who is the front runner of a show calling a black person a monkey and a jew a nazi. One is criticism to the governing body in a job where they are forced to stand for said body, the other is racial hate speech to a private body. Your arguments in the football thread were crying about how the kneeling was unjustified and should be put at an end because the poor song was being offended. This was after 100 times being told the song is inherently political and it's not fair for a company to push their political agenda onto their employees.
If you really think kneeling is somehow less professional than a showrunner being racist, then again, your priorities are fucked. Just like how your priorities of a fucking football game are more important than an employee being forced to respect a government he doesn't want to stand for. If roseanne was being censored for mocking the government, then sure, you would have a point. But if you really want to try to compare the politics behind the NFL kneeling to Roseanne being a blatant racist, then i would have better time comparing apples to oranges.
This is one of the problems with people on Facepunch, you're always looking for the outcast to call a racist, bigot, homophobe, etc.
You didn't even take the time to read my other post where I said: I SUPPORT THE FIRING OF ROSEANNE
I also support the NFL having the right to place limitations on players. Protesting because you don't like the president is unprofessional. Making racist tweets in unprofessional. Calling the president an orangutan and his mother had sex with one is unprofessional. Don't sit there and say the players have the right to free speech when you don't support it yourself. People in the other thread even said business should not have the right to fire you for affairs outside of work, why are they not outraged by this?
I'm not a racist nor support racism, but if you think the players should have the right to kneel, the lady should have the right to say anything and not be fired as well. That's how equality works, even if the stuff people say is disgusting, they should have the right to say it.
... and yes, I'm so appalled by people with extra melanin in their flesh that I am in a relationship with them.
Imagine being John Goodman. Imagine his surprise that after getting back together with an old friend for a reboot of a beloved show only to have it cancelled because said coworker went on a drug induced racist rant online.
How long has spray tan been a race now?
I mean, ABC kept Rosanne ( someone who was already known for having made some concerning and racist remarks and actions ) all the way up until this.
I feel bad for John Goodman and all of the actors and staff employed to the show too, but John had to have a feeling that something like this would happen - he has known her for years and years.
Also her blaming the ambien is one of the shittiest things i've ever heard lmao.
And then just a little bit later...
Nice.
Care to explain than rather make snide comments that provide nothing to the discussion?
The football players were kneeling during the national anthem, which is a harmless and reasonable form of protest. They were not spewing racism and conspiracy theories. The two actions are not comparable in the slightest.
People have already explained to you why but you refuse to listen, so there's no point in arguing.
I won't lie, that's pretty funny, but stupid also -- why put your career in jeopardy... I suppose she's standing up for something she believes in.
I don't know how to explain to you that there's a difference between a political protest and calling a black person a monkey
A peaceful, silent, non-invasive protest isn't the least bit comparable to a slur-laden tirade.
Not only do you apparently need to be told this but even when it is, you can't get it through your thick skull. What exactly can anyone provide to this discussion, other than snide comments at your expense?
I just don't understand how anybody can defend her. You have freedom of speech to say whatever you want. But those words have consequences no matter what. I can't call my black co-worker that he looks like a monkey, id get fired instantly. People are taking this as a political issue or whatever, but it's not, it's being responsible for your actions. Even as a "joke" you can't just call people that publicly.
Well, if she was actually on Ambien, that's a pretty good defense for why she did what she did.
I mean, reading her tweet history, this does seem exceptionally out of the left field.
Because not being politically correct is the new hot fad among racists and morons and if you get told its offensive to call a black person a monkey or a nigger you're clearly a SJW snowflake that's trying to kill free speech.
I never made the argument that the NFL didn't have the right to make those rules. I just think they were being shitty by doing it. Nothing hypocritical here.
And let's not pretend that racism and opposition to racism are somehow equivalent positions.
Exactly, they should have consequences for their actions. You people seem to think that because he is a black person resisting the status quo of the white man; that's why people are upset. People are upset because in the way he chose to do it. The national anthem represents the country, and by kneeling you are showing disrespect to it. Police brutality and racism has been here forever. Kaepernick joined the NFL in 2011 and then decides he wants to protest 'racism' and 'police brutality' when Donald Trump is elected president, isn't that a strange coincidence? The national anthem does not represent any of those things he is protesting. By doing this, he made tensions worse by making it about a partisan issue of disliking the president and offending the people of what the national anthem is all about; the 325.7 million people of the United States.
Now opponents of the NFL say it is within his right of free speech to protest. By the vary definition free speech also allows hate speech and that shall be protected as well. As you see calling someone a racial slur is offensive people also see him kneeling as offensive because it disrespects the country. Whether you see it as offensive yourself is irrelevant, it is up to the employer to determine that and make policy accordingly. Offensiveness is all semantics and subjective and therefore impossible to judge fairly.
The NFL made the policy because it was judged as offensive and there was a responce to it. Not because they are racists and shutting the radical black man down. Rosanne was canceled because of her hate speech. It was seen offensive and her employer took action. It's not up to me or you to decide what is offensive and permitted in the workplace, the employers gets to decide.
You guys are being hypocritical as you say you are for free speech when you determine it is not offensive but turn a blind eye when you agree with the message.
To make it clear one more time - not upset because he is protesting racism - upset because the kneeling offends people as it is seen as disrespectful to the country
still don't understand how you're able to compare the kneeling at the anthem situation to roseannes situation, nor why you feel the need to use these situations to call others hypocritical.
all this post did was make me feel like i'm being baited into another tudd scenario.
Let me do this one by one because you can't seem to comprehend it when I write a large paragraph.
Do you think people are upset with Kaepernick because he is black man protesting?
You're not really bright are you? People have been telling you protesting politics is an entirely different thing than hate speech. Like i told you in the last thread, context matters.
So he is protesting politics?
I think the protests were reasonable, I think Roseanne's comments weren't. Why's it hypocrisy?
This is such a ridiculous statement and is pretty indicative of why nobody here is taking your argument seriously.
If you seriously think that these two acts are on the same level because offensiveness is ~subjective~, then I see absolutely no hope for you.
And that's so backwards, because the act of kneeling in silent protest has its roots in respectful religious protest motivated by love.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/05/29/kneeling-during-the-national-anthem-isnt-disrespectful-its-a-protest-steeped-in-religion/
TL;DR during the desegregation era, black students attempted to integrate southern Christian churches; they would try to enter a "whites'" church, and if they were allowed in they would silently take a seat in the pews; if they were not allowed in, they would kneel in front of the church and pray -- not for the church to be swallowed up or for misfortune to come to the racists inside, but for the love and fellowship of the Christian faith to win out and expose these parishoners, blinded by racism as they were, as being un-Christian by being racially segregational.
That kneeling, instead of standing, for the flag is now considered a disrespectful act is a symptom of the nationalism that is gripping the nation. It is not patriotism to demand someone stand for the flag -- a patriot is morally bound to champion the freedom of a fellow citizen to kneel and respectfully register their protest against an injustice and to uphold that voice as an important expression of free speech. A patriot does not demand that everyone must stand; a patriot does not deny someone their freedom of expression; a patriot does not suggest that football players who kneel for the national anthem deserve to be deported from the country (to where?). And this isn't about the NFL's right to limit its employees' speech on the job, this is about the national conversation about the act of protesting by kneeling during the anthem and the nationalism disguised as patriotism that is becoming disturbingly frequent.
How is it a ridiculous statement? I never said they are on the same level. I’m saying offensiveness is subjective and you might not see it offensive to kneel for the anthem as it might not be offensive to someone not ask a person their gender pronouns before you address them.
The employers deserve and reserve the right to make policy that is lawful.
Bottom line, both situations can be seen as offensive. Some veterans I know say that kneeling during the anthem is just as bad as calling them a racial slur.
Kapernick shouldn’t be held to a different standard because you don’t think it’s offensive. The employer decides that standard.
This isn't about the reason why he is protesting, but rather the disrespectful was in which he does it.
We dealt with this in the last thread about kneeling.
This perspective? It's bullshit.
The NFL introduced the anthem in the 30's post depression, pre WW2 as a way to build up patriotism in the country. It's always been used in a political manner. Someone deciding to protest that in the most calm, collected, and polite manner possible being considered "Offensive" is about as funny as the joke Roseanne told here.
I wonder if Kaepernick would have gotten this attention if he sat like he did at first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nyaL8qmK0
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