Roseanne canceled by ABC for Roseanne's "abhorrent, repugnant" tweets
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If you cannot relate those two definitions, then you are going out of your way to try and separate the two. Ffs, the entire song is about war and military victory. If that's not political, then I'm not sure what is.
That's not to mention the overall tone-deafness surrounding the nationalism surrounding the flag and anthem itself. This whole idea of these symbols being sacred and any action (or lack thereof) going against them is "disrespectful" is not only arbitrary and dumb, but it's also borne right out of the Cold War era as a way to discredit political enemies (i. e. black people in the civil rights era and hippies in the Vietnam War era).These symbols have a long past that cannot be separated, unless you purposely try to ignore it.
But if you want to go down this kind of argument, then please articulate to me just how kneeling is in any way disrespectful. You have yet to make a compelling argument for such.
Definition of patriotic: having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
Definition of country: a political state or nation or its territory
Definition of devotion: the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal
Definition of support: to promote the interests or cause of
Definition of vigorous: carried out forcefully and energetically
Definition of pedant: one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge
"What happened to Roseanne Dan?"
"Asteroid hit her, she died immediately, nothing we could do to save her"
No, no, wait, ultimate irony: She was hit by the Deportation Bus.
First post-Roseanne episode, Dan wakes up from a dream that Roseanne was still alive, and we follow the trials and tribulations of a single father of adult children who he's raised since Roseanne died giving birth to D.J. in 1981.
you didn't even read the other definitions lol
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I am still not see how you're connecting it to political. A good example of a political song would be "Hail to the Chief" as it explicitly praises the president. Now the anthem on the other hand has nothing to do with anyone specific or government operations. The government and country are two separate things in this case. I don't see how you can interpret political in a song that is meant to represent the identity of America. Is a flag political? Is red ,white and blue political? Are burgers and hotdogs political?
If a country has only ever been under one solitary government for the past 300 years, and during that period was seen there being 'no prior government', and if that song was written in said period: the country is effectively the government as comes stating things about 'the nation' which involve the nation's wars or military victories.
It 'relates to the strategies or ideas of a particular party or group' - in that it is representing the views of the national identity under the only universal government said nation has ever known.
Is 'the American Dream' not an 'American Idea'?
It's like you didn't even read my post and just decided to repeat the same points you've been already making instead.
But if you would rather argue on your own turf, then fine.
I think you might have missed the line about "bombs bursting in air". The song is literally about military operations, which are inherently political.
Yes. It is literally the chosen symbol for the US government.
No, these are cultural artifacts and aren't even exclusive to the US. Nobody is protesting those anyway.
Still, you're being incredibly pedantic and are trying to create an over-fine definition of "political" to suit your argument. I've already explained the context to the culture surrounding flag and other symbol worship in this country. That is why it is being protested and that is why the practice of standing for the anthem is justifiably protested.
This discussion is going nowhere, no matter what you guys say Programmer has demonstrated that he is either unwilling or incapable of changing his mind.
His arguments are paper thin and poorly formed yet he is too dense or stubborn to acknowledge it. So he'll just respond to everything with another dumbass rhetorical question because he doesn't actually have an argument of his own outside of arguing over the definition of a word.
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