Florida teacher won't be charged for drowning raccoons in front of students - Sensationalist Headlines

TBH I do think we should shame the agricultural industry to some degree, the overall impact of it on animals both raised in the farm and ones not in the monoculture is kind of horrible.

Farms and modern agricultural attitudes are absolutely horrible for the environment, and they're willingly and knowingly decimating large areas that will be extremely or difficult to recover in a meaningful way. The agriculture industry gets to do this in the U.S. due to pay2win politics, and globally because people just don't really care as much as they should.

Ex-friend I seriously hope. [BELOW IS NOT A REPLY TO YOUR POST] This is like the fucking national anthem bullshit (just colorful language, I fully support kneeling, also it's just an example don't want to start that shit here), we are protesting the drowning of the raccoons yet people automatically assume we are protesting the killing of all animals and equating animals with humans. It's lazy arguing, plain and simple.

So was slavery.

Like I said, you can get a syringe on a pole for skunks. Skunks arent gonna spray unless they see you. If you approach a trapped one while holding a blanket in front of you, they wont spray you. I agree, but shooting an animal isnt always possible.

So you're saying I should take in account the feelings of a Dracunculus medinensis if I ever happen to come across any and not immediately kill it? Not all animals are peaceful creatures that can survive without inherently creating suffering for others. Some species should just be destroyed. Get off your moral high ground.

They are just animals. It isn't out of fun or enjoyment but necessity. The problem is the teacher did it in front of the students.

"Out of your way" ???? Can you read?

Shouldn't furries be more sensitive to animal cruelty?

Have fun telling vegetarians that the combines that collect all the vegetables they eat also collect bunny rabbits and other field varmints, and turns them into mulch. Cruelty in killing an animals is wrong, drowning a raccoon is crueler than needed, so I see it as wrong. But killing animals isn't wrong inherently. It's not something that should be done without reason, but it's not always going to avoidable as some people here think.

What would be the most humane method of dealing with a raccoon? Can't shoot them or take them out into the wild, they will return and it can't be done for every single raccoon because it would drain the budget dry in a week. Drowning seems like a pretty solid safe and fast way to go about getting it done. Wish he had the common sense to do it out of sight though.

Prosecutors probe dog euthanization by car exhaust in Toms River.. N.J. man accused of killing dog with exhaust

Ok so you got the first result for google searching "killing dog with exhaust" https://i.gyazo.com/9194f4300beb0685371e49bd02e60e24.png In which Amato says: If an animal needs to be euthanized, Amato said it should be taken to a vet to be done humanely. “That’s why you have vets,” Amato said. “It’s definitely wrong.” Amato makes a fair statement about the vet but I have my doubts about it being inhumane. So I decided to look up the what a "Humane killing" is exactly: The RSPCA says: when an animal is either killed instantly or rendered insensible until death ensues, without pain, suffering or distress Iowa State University says: “Euthanasia” is a Greek term meaning “good death”. In this context, its objectives are met when death is induced which causes no pain or distress to an animal. So basically a humane death (Euthanasia) of an animal is when they die instantly or they don't feel pain. So lets look at dying by car exhaust which is Carbon Monoxide. I couldn't really find a super good source on whether CO poisoning is painful or not but here is an article from Lost All hope which indicates that it is also odourless and tasteless and will cause reasonably swift unconsciousness leading to a peaceful and painless death So I would say that gassing puppies that need to be put down with car exhaust is humane as it is barely noticeable and renders them unconscious. But kudos to you for using google👍

CO poisoning is generally peaceful yeah, you often see people with garages kill themselves that way.

I was actually citing Amato's statement.

But you weren't quoting, you just linked two articles without any effort in explaining your position. I was citing Amato's position; you are just being lazy and linking an article. Look, If it is "Obviously Inhumane" and you "Literally don't have to defend why" then instead of proceeding to seemingly explain why you don't like it, just don't reply.

I don't see a problem, its an agricultural class, and the students were being taught to humanely get rid of pests.... That is part of agricultural science, im sure it's soooo easy for some one in the agricultural business to just call pest control, and have them 'humanely disposed of'.

Drowning /= humane

What are humane methods? I'm not disagreeing, but a bullet to the head isn't "Humane", but it's what I would suggest in most cases.

No I actually literally don't have to explain why killing an animal with impure hot exhaust fumes is cruel. Unless you can't understand that? I could break it down for you.

Woa there buddy that horse you are on is so high you are losing oxygen to your brain. You should come back down to earth; have a nice day.

The high horse of not wanting to kill animals with hot car exhaust

Drowning was a terrible choice. a better choice, if you're so intent on killing the fucking thing, is to do it later. Here's a good litmus test to see if you're a psychopath: if at any point, you find yourself asking "Should I drown this animal?" then you may be a psychopath

Oh, come off of it. There is absolutely something fundamentally wrong about putting a box of puppies against a car exhaust. Dogs have very sensitive hearing and it's loud as hell at a tailpipe, exhaust is hot, and it'd take a long while for them to actually die. If your friend was having an issue with having 'too many puppies' more than once, he should have been, I don't know, making arrangements to actually find a home for the animals? You bet your ass that newborns would be snapped up instantly by people looking for pets if they were surrendered to a shelter or the pound.

Drowning puppies and kittens may be easy and cheap, but it is also a crime under the Animal Welfare Act because it causes unnecessary and unreasonable pain and distress. Anyone found guilty will be heavily penalised, by fines up to $75,000 or up to 3 yrs imprisonment. Furthermore (extending to all mammals): http://wildlifecontrolconsultant.com/is-drowning-euthanasia/ Drowning is not OK Oh hey would you look at that. It's an excruciating death that was common in the past but society has become educated and we're moving on from it because it's not okay. Don't drown animals lul. Call the authorities and do it the right way.

I'd really appreciate if you'd not pick quotes out of context. In the context of the situation, drowning was the least traumatic choice of the three. Bashing its skull in with a stick in front of children, or committing a felony by shooting it with a firearm on school property is 10000X worse than holding it underwater until it stops moving. The worst choice would be to cage them and relocate them into the woods where they'll be away from any of their relatives with no knowledge of where to get food and water or end up on a farmer's land killing their chickens. A slow death by starvation from hauling them 20 miles into a forest that's completely foreign to them is a terrible choice. Still, if the decision were mine, I would've taken them out of city limits and shot them in the head. Pest animals are not a joke, and relocation fucks things up for other people or leads to starvation and disease for disoriented animals in foreign territory.

Your point is flawed because it begins with the assumption that his three choices were shooting it, bludgeoning it to death, and drowning it. There is a 4th option, which is to take it home and kill it there if you truly MUST kill it.

So you're telling us that this teacher should take it to his own property to deal with it there? There was no option to do nothing, they were killing the chickens his class were raising. It's also a huge life lesson, you have to deal with pests and it's not always pretty. Coddling is not the solution to everything. Doesn't make someone a psychopath just because you're a treehugger.

Why do you keep quoting only tiny pieces of my posts? I'm actually starting to get annoyed at your refusal to actually read and reply to my posts in full. I specifically said exactly that it should've been taken to private property outside of city limits to be killed via gunshot. Also doing nothing leads to either the class' chicken project dying to raccoons, or letting them sit in a trap to dehydrate to death. As for calling animal control, that's already been discussed earlier in the thread and the answer is that it's pointless. They'll either shoot it, or ask you to shoot it for them.

If I see an animal drowning in water, do you know what I do? Call the authorities if needed and walk the hell away. Do not fuck with nature, you'll make it worse. If a turtle is in the road or something, move it, but get away. BTW, ants float. Also, Sirius is talking about intentionally drowning them.