• Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte to arm public in fight against drugs
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yes but he isn’t imprisoning drug dealers so where’s the burden on the tax payers I’ll agree with you that the United States has a bloated and too big prison system but a system like that will only work in Europe and the U.S this is the Phillippines we’re talking about
Please move to the phillipines so i can send an anonymous email that you have drugs hidden in your medicine cabinet so the vigilantee anti drug squad can come and execute you.
what’s with all the threats? thought the left was civil
These are doing a great job of proving non-violence solutions as effective. Good work, A+
You're advocating for a world with vigilante death squads without realizing you'd be fucked in that world.
I mean, Duterte's solution is the least civil solution out there
I never said I’m a proud advocate and supporter for drug vigilante death squads I’m acknowledging the fact that it’s working in the Phillippines why y’all twisiting whatever I said It wouldn’t even affect me if I moved there I’m not some degenerate drug addict
once again, kindly provide an explanation for the checks and balances that prevent these unregulated death squads from simply killing those that oppose the government/people they have personal issues with. There are a lot more issues in a society than keeping crime stats low
It would affect you because some random who doesnt like your internet opinions would tell the death squad you're a druggie and go kill you without due process, thats the point. Without due process there's no justice, just innocent people getting murdered and getting some coke sprinkled on them.
there are tons of people who are executed on death row even after a trial. There is factually no way this kind of trial-free execution style of doing things won't be creating piles of bodies, when even the US can execution someone, with evidence and everything, and 20 years find out they were innocent, therefore fucking it all up.
Burden of proof lies on you guys to prove this kind of thing happens why do I have to back it up I didn’t even bring it up? Why do you keep talking about the U.S? How do you know Duetete is relying solely on emotions and not just finding tweakers and dealers with stockpiles of drugs and enacting swift justice right then and there. It’s not like when it comes to drug convictions people are innocent unless you can provide an example of the police tampering or planting evidence
We should just nuke Chicago and LA, statistically gun crimes would drop a huge amount if we just leveled those two cities. Right guys? I mean the ends justify the means.
I'm bringing it up because they don't have something we do We have an entire branch of government dedicated to trials and due process and we still screw it up. They don't. You're trying to make it seem like it wouldn't affect you if you were there, as if innocent people won't get hurt in the fire, but that's basically impossible. If our massive system based on pure logical argument can fuck up, there is absolutely no way they aren't going to fuck it up, a system based purely on immediately reacting on gut feeling and nothing else. I'm sorry, but thinking that it wouldn't affect you if you moved there is just naive. How do you know we are doing it to appeal to emotion? You're trying to say we are, but you can't seem to back that up. Look at the type of things this guy is up to, this is clearly a man ruled by his anger and emotions. There is no way this isn't an emotional reaction, that thing that you act like is such a big deal. Philippine leader Duterte vows to 'eat' ISIS members alive | Fox.. He then threatened to “eat” organs of members of the Islamist militants that operated in his country. Addressing the crowd, Duterte said: “Just drive me to extreme anger, and I can eat a person. Give me salt and vinegar and I’ll eat his liver.” “You know, I am capable of eating a person. If you anger me, in truth, I will eat you alive. Raw.” While I wouldn't exactly shed a tear over him cannibalizing ISIS members, he openly talks about how what he's doing is all about his emotions. I know he is relying on emotion because he himself bases his decisions on it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-38311655 Nearly 6,000 people are said to have been killed by police, vigilantes and mercenariessince Mr Duterte launched his drug war after being elected in May. He has expressed few regrets about the policy, once saying: "Hitler massacred three million Jews... There's three million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them." Mr Duterte has repeatedly said he does not care about human rights and has suggested that lawyers defending drug suspects might also be targeted in his campaign, says the BBC's Jonathan Head. Why can't you detach your negative view of drug users from your brain and swallow your pride on the that maybe not killing everyone would be a better solution? And you don't hold a high opinion of them either. This isn't about his solution working. Any solution at all is going to have a result. This is about a solution that works better than the current one. Police plant evidence all the time my dude. This happens in better countries than the Philippines, it's going to happen there as well. They power trip because they can get away with it. If you think they don't do this and get away with it, I'm not even sure I can make a reply to that. What have you actually proven though? Your graph didn't even mention drug crimes. I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to trust that when its coming from a powertripping leader like him.
Lmao, what is the average age of the posters in this thread?
article from human rights watch "More than 12,000 suspected drug users and dealers, mostly from poor families in urban centers across the country, are estimated to have died in the “drug war,” including an estimated 4,000 during operations led by the police and the remainder by 'unidentified gunmen.'" This is as of January of this year. 12,000 people in less than two years. And not only have 12,000 people died without a fair trial or due process, only a THIRD of those deaths were as a result of police action. More than 8,000 people have been slaughtered by other citizens. He also "encouraged police attacks against human rights groups and advocates, instructing police to shoot them “if they are obstructing justice.”" A Human Rights Watch investigation found that police are regularly executing suspects on the spot and falsely claiming self-defense. Not that any of that means anything to you, what with the whole advocating mass murder of poor people thing.
do you hate people who drink alcohol?
You guys keep running around in circles. You're bringing the United States back up and gonna let you know I live in the U.S not sure if you figured that out yet. I'm not in the Philippines. Our War on Drugs in the United States isn't working and there's is. There is plenty of factors that contribute to both of these and I never once said or advocated that the United States should just turn around and start gunning down American tweakers and drug addicts so when you bring up the whole "well if you lived in the Philippines it would effect you" IF I lived in the Philippines why does it even matter whether or not if I were to live there and how did it even get brought up. The situation doesn't affect me nor does it you unless you had family or friends in the Philippines. You're making it out to seem like Dueterte is some loose cannon who ended up in the seat of the Presidency. He won an election, sure he has some emotional connection to having to put an end to drug abuse within his country but it goes to show how passionate he cares about something like this, and with his approval ratings still scoring high it shows that the public thinks that he is doing some great things and bringing positive change to a country that has been racked by crime, reminder; The Philippines was never really a safe place to travel to for tourists and I wouldn't say it's more safe now but by the end of his "reign of terror" I believe you would see a Philippines that is a-lot more safer then how it was a couple years ago. You ever hear the expression if it ain't broke don't fix it? Duerte's hard stance against drugs is returning results and dropping crime across the board (except for homicide, but like Duerte said it's merely just drug dealer paranoia ending up killing another which in the end, goes on to help him and his war on drugs) All I said in this thread and continued to say was that despite all of the killing and hard stance he has against drugs he is bringing results to the country. Find me an article of Philippines police planting drugs on someone and shooting them. Please do so, and even if you do manage to find one it's a statistical anomaly. Something that happened, it's not like you have cops throwing dime-bags of coke onto people and proceeding to brain them afterwards. It showed that crime was dropping across the board within his first year of office. And it's only getting better from here on out, I would imagine drug crime is at an all time low given the circumstances, but you know what they say about assume. What I've proven is that the actions Duerte took has dropped crime significantly within his first year. show me where I advocated for more right wing death squads that should go around and shoot up all drug dealers. older than u!!!!
I drink coffee, I hope Duterte doesn't come and kill me in a blind rage.
where is the statistics to back up the drug dealers killing one another? you are just stating that duerte said so. that doesn't make it true the guy is a scum bag. of course he is saying hes bringing results, thats what the people want to hear. in reality he is committing a genocide based on emotion. it is broken, it needs fixing. killing people is not a good solution. as for police planting drugs on victims they kill: http://time.com/4924520/philippines-police-kian-santos-murder/ https://www.amnesty.nl/actueel/philippines-the-polices-murderous-war-on-the-poor https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/philippines-drugs-surveillance/ and there are more articles, just search for them. you can't say you aren't advocating for right wing death squads shooting up drug dealers because you are staunchly defending the use of them.
Every post you made in this thread advocated for it by way of defending it. Just scroll up.
That's an assumption you're making that the police would hide something like that. You're backing down on your argument because you know you're wrong and can't back up any claims you might have that some people are being innocently shot by the Government in the Philippines. What I was saying is that you guys are arguing in a way that "well he's saying things I don't agree with and comparing himself to people I don't like that makes him a bad person!" All you were doing is arguing that Duerte is a bad person and using emotions like "Well I think that's wrong and it's abhorrent that you would think he's justified in doing something like that!" That's what I meant when I said that, if I used the fallacy wrong in any way I'm sorry I'm not some nerd who joined debate class.
too lazy to prove me wrong, all I said was that it was working. quote me where I said "hey we should try the same thing in the United States!"
also not only are they planting drugs on their victims they are lying about them fighting back. any time they do a drug raid, all suspects end up dead or seriously injured. the police say they have been given orders not to kill, only to defend them selves. which is horse shit because there is witnesses and cctv footage showing that in these incidents the police are attacking unarmed people, beating them and killing them.
He's comparing himself to Hitler, he's godwinning himself. That's a lot bigger than someone I merely "don't like", what are you even thinking. I don't know if you've heard of him. He killed millions of people but that isn't that big of a deal really.
Guess I'm wrong about that. But you have any idea how many times they were right about people being involved in the selling or use of drugs? Like I said crime is down across the board and approval ratings are still high. This is an extreme reaction to what many would seem (especially you guys) is not a big problem, but you wouldn't know unless you lived in the Philippines or knew what it was like there before Duerte was in office. And I can't say anything about it either, and all I have been saying is that his approval ratings still remain high and crime is being cut across the board. All you guys are trying to do is making me look like I am about to sign up and join Duerte's super fun death squad and fly over to the Philippines to start shooting some drug addicts. What are you even getting at? The bottom line to all of this is he brings results and people in the Philippines still approve of him, (you could make the argument that he's even more popular in his home country then Donald Trump and he's doing far worse things then him. Really makes you think)
The people that lived under Hitler supported Hitler. And I'm getting at Philippine President Duterte Compares Himself To Hitler PRESIDENT RODRIGO DUTERTE: Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. Now, there is 3 million - what is it? - 3 million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them. You're basically saying that because of a majority supporting it, that makes it ok. The majority of the US supported slavery many generations ago, and it made labor happen. Was it OK then?
If you'd think the Philippines would be better off with a-lot more victims of rape, robbery, and a hell of a lot more drug abuse then that's your argument to make. If you're likening the situation of drug users with the Jews of the holocaust then I don't know what to make of it, because you're the one who brought Hitler into all of this and keep bringing it up.
He compared himself to Hitler. HE HIMSELF said this. This isn't me putting words in his mouth, this is him directly stating it very clearly. That's clearly not what the argument is and you know it lol.
i don't care how many times they were right about people selling or using drugs, killing them over it is so fucking wrong. plus these are just instances where the police were caught, how many times do you think they have gotten away with it? crime is not being cut across the board because homicide has gone up. that is the one crime statistic i would want to see decline in my country.
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