• Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte to arm public in fight against drugs
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what does that have anything to do with the fact that crime is dropping across the board and public opinion of him still remains high all you are saying is that "he's like hitler and hitler was bad therefore I'm right" please take a few steps back and think for a second. what is the argument then? because you keep changing it.
I made my point pretty clear my man. Repeating it would be fruitless because you've already admitted that you aren't listening.
I already acknowledged that.
The argument is that I take it up the ass and because I'm a soyboy nerd that likes debate class, I believe in insane liberal ideas like not committing genocide without due process on the emotional appeal that "these bad people deserve to die". Jesus Christ, how embarrassing.
so your point is that his approval rating is up and crime is down? that's fine but you are making it seem like you are arguing that killing drug users/dealers is okay.
Deutretaco isn't doing it out of emotion, and directly saying that he wants to kill millions of drug users, as well as throwing people from helicopters because he got angry once, that's not emotional. It just demonstrates that he's a passionate man that cares about the work he does. The people love him.
As someone that actually lived in the Philippines, this is true. Within the span of 1 month in my city, I saw 3 murders that the police refused to investigate because it was immediately labeled drug related with no proof, while the families of the victims claim they haven't been doing anything out of the ordinary.
My brain hurts from how you argue your point, to the point I have no idea what your actual point is now
As a native living here I can vouch for this as well. A lot of law enforcement had been incompetent and somewhat lazy already before Duterte, but now since Duterte has laid out his motto on leading a drug war, it's a mixture of both incompetence, apathy and the worst case scenario of actual bloodthirstiness. I really feel sorry for the families of the victims, not only are their names tarnished and mocked in social media here with colorful statements like "oh how tragic another dead druggie, those poor drug dealers will lose a customer!", and they'll never be able to have proper closure for their departed loved ones and won't see their perpetrators face justice.
Two people that actually lived there confirm that TimTimTommy's argument is bullshit is the argument still going to be "Well, majority of the people there accept it" or what
But its working look at the statistics and approval hurrrrrr
Ah yes, let's just give a couple thousand barangay officials some guns because drugs. Definitely a good idea, nothing wrong here. /s
I am interested to hear more about this. As someone living in the Philippines you have much more insight into the actual corruption of this policy. Can you please outline why it is wrong to kill / mistreat drug users with a blanket policy with no discernible recourse for innocents for the contrarians in this thread? I understand crime is down / approval ratings are up. I also understand that numbers like this can be manipulated. How are things on the community level? Are these policies something you think would work better if they were modified slightly in order to be more lenient to users? I am genuinely interested to learn more about this from people living there and not just keyboard warriors spouting hate and bullshit. Thank you.
Can't wait for entire families to start blood feuds and murdering each other claiming the other side were just druggies.
What signs? Also, wow, you think he solved the drug problem and all it took was a few extra-judiciary executions, and the complete metamorphosis into a totalitarian state! YEET. worth it lmao.
You're rebutal was really good until you pulled your pants iver your head with the ad hominem at the end.
Why would you actively harm (in this case, literally kill) people who decide to put something in their own bodies?
arm the people but do NOT arm duterte's ideology
To start off, there's an understandable reason first on why people voted, chose and supported Duterte and why he is still receiving a large amount of approval. The country's government and authorities always had been leaning towards incompetency and negligence, and the increasing gap between social classes and extreme poverty has created a large divide between people even within the same areas. This of course caused a lot of rampant crime, and people who fell under drug abuse, since for some people, it's their only escape from the harsh reality. Not everyone who commits crimes are there for drug reasons, most just want to feed themselves and their families. But there's a noticeable chunk of violent people who are under the influence of drugs, cheap ones like contact cement here, commonly under the 'Rugby' brand, on top of the usual stuff like cocaine and heroin. It's not an uncommon sight for some street corners to have a group of people in dirty clothes with bloodshot eyes and a manic attitude to be wandering around or hanging together near the sidewalks. This image is pretty much ingrained for a lot of the people, so whenever a news comes up about a crime such as theft or murder (usually both), that's the main image most people have on the reasons, drugs. It's not without its truths, but it's definitely not the majority of reasons. However people are growing more cynical day by day due to rampant crime, down to the point where people forget that crime is caused by government and authority incompetence and negligence, not due to a substance that motivates crime. This is what Duterte capitalized on however. Promises of getting rid of government corruption and giving the police more authority and power, and avoid mishaps like the sloppy Hong Kong Bus Hostage Scenario at Quirino Grandstand. This was different from the usual politician whose usual promises are infrastructure, economy boosting and upgrades on education and better employment and outsourcing opportunities. On paper these are all admirable goals and promises, and it is hard to deny that the thoughts of less crime and safer streets aren't something to be desired. The problem is like most politicians, these just ended up as just being words, and at worst excuses to defend incompetency. The only difference is Duterte is unfiltered and gives him an image of 'honesty' and 'toughness' that convinces people he'll pull through on his promises. In reality it's just a front to brute force his way into 'cleaning up the streets'. It's easier for cops to do their jobs when they can just say they killed a suspect due to drugs than it is to give accurate or truthful witness accounts. Even petty crimes like pickpockets, shoplifting are easier to excuse when drugs are involved. It's understandable to use force against violent suspects, but it's unjust and malicious to use force on any kind of suspect, if the excuse is just it'll be one less paperwork for the force. Some people are actually aware this is actually what's happening, and they don't care because they're also desperate. The big problem of course is that we're sacrificing human empathy for the unrealistic and malicious goal of 'cleaning up all crime by piling up bodies until they all stop doing crimes'. I don't condone any kind of crime either, even the smallest kinds. But punishments and justice need to be properly judged, and planting drugs or just killing every suspect left and right is inhumane, and worse it paves way into a subtle form of silencing, where the public only knows that police are killing violent drug users, even though in reality it's not always the case. I don't think Duterte's supporters are evil, my own mother and her relatives voted Duterte as well. It's completely understandable on wanting your own country to be safe from crime. I didn't vote myself because the 2 candidates I wanted in was dying from cancer (who has already passed as well), and the other who died in a plane crash. Of course with the desire for safety in mind, supporters are willing to look past even drastic measures because this is 'something new' that Filipinos haven't experienced yet in a leader here. I genuinely think there's room for stricter laws and better equipped and trained police in our situation, but I also genuinely believe this needs to be properly regulated and planned. The brute force method is literally causing innocent lives as young as 12 or below death, and the police doesn't have to answer much from it because the image of drug users is so strong, even the people feel apathetic for the death of a child at times. Because their image a bad child could harm a good child. In a better world, Duterte would be less trigger happy but could keep his strictness and even his crassness. He scares his fellow politicians and he actually did manage to give a huge middle finger on the stagnating realm of how much the Church has in control of our policies. For example the Philippines is one of the two countries that still doesn't have abortion, the only other one is Vatican City itself. Realistically I want Duterte to be more cooperative with his fellow government body, and hopefully he can actually have a better perspective when it comes to stopping crime, rather than just a blanket policy using brute force. If not from him, I'm just hoping the police force and the people themselves start to realize that out of every violent suspect shot down, there's a dozen innocents that are caught in the crossfire. There's no reason for an innocent elementary schooler to die with a violent murderer. Unfortunately as long as the mentality and image of the current situation keeps up, it's going to be difficult to move forward and change for the better.
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