Italy to compile 'register' of Roma people: Matteo Salvini
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Why do you only source one claim at a time? What about the stealing and begging? Like it's great that you do at least somewhat, and I see the point with gender roles (althought that isn't gypsie exclusive and they may simply lag behind). More importantly, this problem isn't and won't be fixed by ostracizing or deporting them.
It's not a big deal to me because you haven't shown that it is a big deal. How much money is spent overall on the eviction and comparatively? How many of the gypsies living in the UK do commit crimes or occupy land illegally? Look at one of the quotes from your own article:
The resident added: "They were quite noisy on Friday night (June 15) but
so far have been respectful of the community, however that was just the
few vans."
That doesn't sound like a big deal to me and doesn't match your anecdotal description. Like, the worst case described in one of your articles is the cost of 20.000 pounds for one of the communities, which sucks, but the deportation of them would definitely cost much more. They even said that they offer new permanent sites, so how much of a problem is it now?
They ostracize themselves
I bet that's what they said to justify the Porajmos.
Yes, because the problem is entirely isolated to those five articles I posted.
I'm not saying it's a fucking epidemic, no matter how much you like to extrapolate this from my posts. However, it does remain a persistent problem that negatively affects local communities. I'm not saying gas/deport/whatever them, my original point was just stating that for the majority of people, the problem is with the lifestyle rather than the race/ethnicityy.
You keep dismissing the problems by going 'oh it's not THAT big of a deal', 'they're simply lagging behind on their attitudes towards gender', 'it only cost this community £20,000'. Simply recognising these issues and asking for them to be fixed doesn't make you a bigot.
Then you completely missed the point of the original thread, which is about Matteo Salvini wanting to deport them.
Don't get me wrong, I think this policy is pure populism and there are a number of people who are genuinely bigoted in this thread. I just wanted to show that many people's grievances are indeed genuine and that it is not necessarily bigoted simply to have those grievances.
Huh, didn't know social security numbers, access to medical care and contact with local governments were prerequisites for being people.
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I've already explained what I meant. Read the other posts.
Well, let's see it through the eyes of regular law abiding immigrants.
You don't got a social security number? Heck if I know what happens, but judging by the IRS coming after you almost gun in hand if you don't pay your taxes, I guess you're royally fucked, especially with a shitton of bureocracy behind it.
No acess to medical care? Not great either.
Contact with local governments? Generally, you should be easy to get in contact with, for whatever matter, yes, especially if you're an immigrant, due to visas and whatever else.
If I didn't have any of those, I'd be fucked. Straight up fucked.
the fact of the matter is that, sure, Roma and gypsies avoid integration for lives of crime or whatever they do, but it's Salvini's job to make sure laws are enforced in his beloved nation, meaning it's his job to make sure these people have no more excuses to lead such lives, else they face justice as they should
however it's not politically favorable to fix a solution, he'd rather just do things he gets consensus for
as usual the rich pit the poor against each other so they never realize who truly ruins the lives of citizens
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