[WHO] Trans is no longer classified a mental disorder
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Don't forget, someone can still think they're trans as a result of another mental condition though. It just means trans itself isn't a mental condition.
The permanent loss of your reproductive function is not a handicap or mutilation?
So you agree that it's a mental disorder?
People seem to be fairly aggressive. When it comes to this. I never said I had anything against people who are dissatisfied with the sex they are I just think they need to be helped and taken serious. I don't want to humor something that might lead to suicide by saying "oh that's just normal, not a mental condition that leads to death in a lot of cases" People like this need professional help. Saying it isn't a mental disorder it taking the problem too lightly.
Yeah, all you did was downplay the seriousness of their condition and imply people who undergo SRS crazy. It's almost like you're showing a complete and utter misunderstanding of it all or something!
Gender dysphoria is still a disorder and rightfully classified. Being transgender does not make you mentally ill, which is why this is changing.
And gender reassignment surgery is a bit more then "chopping" someones dick off. It is a little bit more complicated then that.
You somehow think that denying people SRS would... cure suicide rates? Are you mental yourself mate?
Good thing that the professional help often recommends SRS
The idea of SRS just being one Wacky Trans Person slicing their cock off with a Stanley knife is so fucking pervasive and I have no idea why. Do you really think that's all it boils down to? Do you really think there haven't been decades of scientific and medical research on sex
reassignment? Do you think doctors have no legal restraints, no restrictions, no ethical codes? Do you think it's just Victor Frankenstein laughing under a thunderbolt while the KnobChopper 999 gets to work? Grow some fucking sense.
I'm not really sure what to think on this. I actually feel really sorry for trans-people, it's such a shitty card to be dealt.
The language they use makes it seem like they are going a little further than they perhaps technically should in order to increase accessibility to treatment for the associated issues.
I think American's are probably relatively safe from an insurance standpoint, because I'm sure the argument is that being transgender it's self isn't the disorder - the disorder is the anxiety and depression associated with being transgender, and that is what the treatments seek to lessen? HRT isn't cosmetic surgery after all.
This, it does seem like it's maybe jumping the gun a bit, but "destimatising all mental disorders" probably isn't going to happen any time in this next decade though, and clearly this is a set of people who the WHO thinks can be most helped right now by declassification.
If you really think all sex and gender boils down to is what's flapping between your legs, then you don't just have transphobic views -- you have seriously fucking reductive and immature views as a whole, and you should consider looking into what being a human being actually is
beyond just splurging some mayonnaise into a fish taco.
Morons like that seem to have this weird mindset that apparently psychologists are collectively so utterly braindead that they couldn't possibly have considered the ideas they peddle and after seriously considering them came to the conclusion they were bullshit ideas. It's almost like they're grasping for any reason to be against something they don't understand or something.
On the topic, I always wondered how people would react if a cure for gender dysphoria was discovered that didn't require transitioning.
Objectively, it would he a good thing, right?
But I can't help but think that people would spin it as suppressing an identity somehow.
I wonder how people would react if a cure for being polygamist was discovered. Or homosexuality/bisexuality/lesbianism. What about a cure for monogamy...
Well, I mean, gender dysphoria can be a horrible and oppressive disease at the same level as depression, right?
And transitioning hasn't shown to be a 100% effective cure, with dysphoria symptoms persisting in some cases after transitioning and transitioning itself having a few risks and downsides itself, right?
This is all stuff that I've been told, and haven't experienced personally, so tell me if I'm wrong.
What does have a 100% effective cure in the world of mental health, and even physical health.
Some people do experience dysphoria at different levels and for varying reasons. Some people experience it because their genitals don't match their identity and it can really screw with them, which is usually when people opt for getting SRS. Transitioning has a couple minor risks, major if you are a smoker. Mostly increased mood swings and loss of libido are the major concerns, but depression is a side effect to watch out for when starting estrogen. Smokers need to be wary of blood clotting if they take pills, but for the most part that risk is reduced via patch or injection.
Tbh I don't know I'd really conflate sexuality with gender. One is just attraction and what you wanna slap your flesh against and the other is your sense of self.
If a "cure" were discovered it would probably be widely used going forward, the interesting aspect is what current transgender people would do overall which idk.
I didn't mean to relate them, just the 'solution' bit.
I thought this was already what TG was classified under as a disorder, at least in some places. Seems odd they don't already have that ready.
Autopsied trans people almost exclusively have anatomical synergy with the opposite sex in several key areas of the brain, so it's a little more than 'belief'.
Thanks for the response, it helped me understand the situation more.
I suppose then I would be talking about "cure" that completely erases any affinity for the other gender, no matter how unlikely such a cure would be.
Essentially making someone trans perfectly happy in the body they were born in.
Would such a drug be a good thing, or a bad thing?
I think it's an interesting topic of discussion in the sense that it can't happen but lets pretend for a moment.
Lets pretend there is a magic bullet sollution, you give a person with gender dysphoria this wonder drug or something and from that day onwards they are perfectly happy with their birth gender, no side effects of any sort and %100 effective. Lets also pretend that we now have perfect gender reassignment surgery, no costly followups, plastic surgurey on your do-dahs makes them look, feel and act exactly like the real thing and only a dna test would be able to tell the difference.
Which would you suggest to someone trans who is perfectly on the fence?
Actually this is an interesting thought problem in a lot of subjects, what if we invented an anti-gay pill, or a pill that cures autism/aspergers (side note would that convince the antivaxers to stop being stupid when theres a cure to the one thing they fear about them)
Honestly there's no real wrong answer but it's interesting to see what people think and why, personally I'd suggest they take the pill, if only because its the least disruptive to the life they currently have.
So these goons think playing video games as your primary hobby is a mental disorder, yet thinking your something that you're not and then altering your body to fit your idea of what you are, isn't?
What a fucking joke.
This whole thread makes my barf, please leave your body alone thanks.
Are you going to argue now that gambling isn't a mental disorder because they found being trans isn't one? Does your entire worldview of 'what is a mental disorder' rest on the foundation that gender dysphoria is the very definition of mental disorder?
Here's another thought. What about things like identity? If you suddenly made me okay with having a dick, I would just go okay, but I would still want to transition because I want to be a woman still. Would taking that pill suddenly mean I can no longer go by my current name because I would suddenly hate my current name and suddenly like my dead name that I hate? Would I suddenly hate being called she and like being called he? This also goes into other territory like, what if this magic pill did change someone identity, could it mean we could force people to change what they like or hate? I would take the pill if it meant I stopped having discomfort with my dick, but I would also still want to transition because being male inst who I am nor is having a dick. Also what about enbys?
There is no valid excuse for being so damn illiterate.
Why do you think that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions about what they want to do with their own bodies?
It's Cureless so don't expect anything short of rampant stupidity and ignorance when it comes to transgenderism.
What a coincidence. Your post warrants the same reaction from anyone not totally ignorant on the subject.
Well presumably a magic bullet solution would handle a lot of these, imagine if it did, imagine if it made you perfectly OK with every aspect of yourself.
No more hatred for you name, or body or anything else, and lets pretend in this world that only YOU can choose to take this pill, nobody can force you (or if they can it can be reversed) would you?
And again, the transition surgery is perfect too, all the equipment works with no additional need for maintenance, no need for additional drugs, no scars.
Which one would you pick, or suggest someone who is in the fence pick? With the case of p[icking for someone else you may do so without fear that its the "wrong" choice because each solution is magicland perfect.
imagine giving a shit about people's own decision on their body.
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