• Parents sue school after 12yr commits suicide after being forced to hug bullies.
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I don't necessarily agree with what they're saying but I think you're failing to consider it from an important point of view: As it is their fuck ups already cost one person their life. And unlike them who has a choice in the matter to not be a piece of trash, that person didn't have any say in the matter nor did those that are supposed to be there to support them do anything to help.
Excuse me, why are we calling assault and battery, stalking, and emotional abuse "bullying"? I think one of the first steps we should take is to kill the word "bully". A news article runs a story about a suicide by a student, the headline should be "Student kills themselves after being forced to hug their physical and/or emotional abusers at school". I think that would go a long way towards changing the zeitgeist and whole attitude of this situation as baby steps. To any journalists out there reading this, please do this.
Read article 28 in the convention on right of the child please (though the US never ratified it, so perhaps that’s your standard). Permanent expulsion only moves your problem, it doesn’t solve anything. Suddenly you’re living in a society with a bunch of cavemen that got expelled in 5th grade, and weren’t even doing well back then. I’m not saying that bullying should be consequence free, and I honestly don’t know why you think I did. There should be consequences, but just kicking a 12-year old out on the street and washing your hands is not the way to do it.
I wonder how long it's going to take before someone (either a parent, a child or someone the child knows) snaps and decides to take matters into their own hands and deal with the bullies directly. Some may handle it worse than others, but if that seems like the only option there are plenty who will go that far. Speaking from experience, someone in the family (15-16) was getting harassed at school and when I asked them to stop they gave the usual mocking crap on FB and talked shit about me doing nothing. It wasn't so funny when they found me waiting for them outside the school gates, by the time I was done (never physically touched anyone aside from setting a hand on a shoulder to stop someone walking off) the girl in the center of their group was left in tears and it stopped after that and it was only then that the school actually stepped in to do anything about it. As a bonus I'd mailed them screens of the abuse they sent on FB and when my relative and her mum got pulled into a meeting with thr girl and her mum (who claimed she didn't have FB, nevermind sending abuse) there was a certain satisfaction when a teacher turned their screen around to show them the abuse shots I'd sent. Others unfortunately aren't so lucky.
I remember the one and only time I told my teacher that I was tired because I couldn't sleep because I was bullied all the time. Her response was: "Haha! Try clubbing yourself to sleep!" (it's a weird finnish saying, "nuijanukutus" for other finns) After that I NEVER told any adult about any problems I had. I was like 10.
Huh, this brought back unpleasant memories of when I was bullied. I'd been to the teacher multiple times and was actually feeling pretty suicidal myself. My mum went to speak to the headmaster about it who told her: "Oh, we've never had problems from those students before,  I think this is a case of Smiler making up stories for attention." Of course I wasn't. They actually had problems with them before though, many times- one of note was when they were mocking a girl who lost her mum to cancer. They actually used to follow her playing "ding-dong the witch is dead" and make "yer mum" jokes. I can't help but laugh when people say that childhood is the best few years of your life. 
I genuinely came into the thread to say this. The word "bully" was invented because *my* sweet child can't be an abuser. *My* angel would never be a bad person. But just a bully? Oh, that's just children roughhousing. Kids being kids. Kids just *can't* be such terribe human beings, and the issue certainly can't be anything that *I* should take responsibility for. It's just bullying, they're just kids! So we'll say that it's an "issue we're taking very seriously," but never ever will because it's just kids, right?
lmao what no 1530s, "sweetheart," a term of endearment applied to either sex, of uncertain origin; perhaps from Dutch boel "lover; brother," which probably is a diminutive of Middle Dutch broeder "brother" (compare Middle High German buole "brother," source of German Buhle "lover;" see brother (n.)). Meaning deteriorated 17c. through "fine fellow" and "blusterer" to "harasser of the weak" (1680s, from bully-ruffian, 1650s). Perhaps this was by influence of bull (n.1), but a connecting sense between "lover" and "ruffian" might be "protector of a prostitute," which was one sense of bully (though it is not specifically attested until 1706). "Sweetheart" words often go bad in this way; compare leman, also ladybird, which in Farmer & Henley is "1. A whore; and (2) a term of endearment." Shakespeare has bully-rook"jolly comrade." The adjective meaning "worthy, jolly, admirable" is first attested 1680s, and preserves an earlier, positive sense of the word. It enjoyed a popularity in late 19c. American English, and was used from 1864 in expressions, such as bully for you! "bravo!"
In middle school there was a guy that bullied me for a while, eventually I beat him up and the bullying stopped there and then. We ended up becoming good friends later in high school after both of us grew up. School administration never did anything other than arrange useless "talks" between us two and a teacher. The thing that solved it once and for all were my fists.
Something that could solve the issue is if American Schools had a significantly higher Mentoring aspect and not just an impersonal teacher aspect. It's fairly apparent that most modern American parents possess no adequate sense of how to actually raise their children whatsoever. Honestly bullying as an issue is an indicator of much bigger problems in general and not just bullying itself. Abusive behaviors like this originate from apathy and no one actually giving a shit about anyone instead of actually fixing the problem. Notice how quite frequently the kid is completely alone with the problem and that neither the teachers OR the main student population did jack shit to help them. Ten kids in a classroom clearly see someone getting repeatedly abused by some asshole and they simply just keep fucking sitting there as if it doesn't even exist even though the issue could have been solved instantly if they just mass condemned the behavior and group overpowered the abuse. No bully is going to fuck with ten pissed off classmates who fucking hate you for being a piece of shit. No student body is going to simultaneously suspend ten children either. The true issue that breeds these problems has to do with apathy and selfishness and how no one in current schools is ever actually together as a community, just a bunch of goofy kids awkwardly lumped physically together in a classroom with teachers who only either give a fuck about their paycheck or enjoy working with children because "they're cute"
In the US this isn't nearly as valid a solution. It should be but our bullshit zero tolerance policies get in the way of that. Even more so when the bullied tends to get more severe punishments than the bully regardless of who started it. Bully punches you? Suspension while the bully frequently just gets sent home for the rest of the day or a simple detention. You punch the bully? Same exact results, if you're lucky. It's fucking idiotic. And it's even worse when there's not simply a single bully as is often the case. The more incidents you're involved in, the more severe your punishments. So two bullies means you're involved in twice as many incidents as each of the bullies and so on. Whatever dribbling retard thought up zero tolerance policies is a scourge on our society. (Though sadly far from the only one.)
Fuck zero tolerance policies and fight back anyway, some kids that got bullied back in high school were suspended even if they didnt fight back, bullies just got detention usually, might as well fight back against shitheads.
Thank you. I was about to make a super long winded post to reply to all the bullshit responses of "kids being kids lol lmao!!" This is downright battery, stalking, emotional abuse, with a dash of institutional negligence and dumbassery. I get these children are minors, but they need to face the justice system. They pushed someone to death and it wasn't a fucking accident - THIS WAS A DELIBERATE AND PREMEDITATED ACT. How anyone can try to justify this behavior as kids being kids is beyond me.
I don't think it is such a slippery slope as you make it out to be. Expelling someone is hardly just "Kicking them out on the street." Most kids who are expelled (in US at least) either move to a different district or go to private schooling. They still have a lot of options for schooling if their parents care enough for them to be schooled. Also, I am not talking about "Legal Rights" more like the reality of an education (At least in the US): Some people get good educations and others don't get an education at all. That is what makes an education a privileged. You've said that there should be consequences for actions apart from expulsion but have yet to proposed any. Would you please propose some alternatives to Expulsion when students successfully Goad another student to commit suicide?
make this a perma tbh, do we really need trash like this on the forum
kids need to get flicked on the forehead more for bad behavior. my mom pulled me by the ear a lot and that did the trick.
Every story I hear of US schools make them sound like torture. I was pretty lucky I never got bullied at school but this whole concept of zero tolerance just seems absolutely cruel and idiotic to me. Aren't schools state institutions and by punishing the victim they're basically waiving the fundamental right for self-preservation? Wouldn't that in some way be unconstitutional? It's not like when people get assaulted that the victim also gets charged.
My first post in this thread (that people seemingly disagree with) is this: Expulsion to a different school might help, but you risk just moving the problem. I'm not against pupils being expelled and having to go to a different school, but I'm afraid it's just an easy way for schools to dump their shitty pupils elsewhere and wash their hands - worst case you have a wealthy school that just ends up booting its bullies to a school with fewer resources. Something more needs to be done on top of that. Specially trained staff, cooperation with social services, and institutionalisation if needed. I'll also say that I, perhaps unfairly, interpreted some posts in this thread to insinuate that these pupils should be expelled and not be guaranteed any further education. Especially when you bring up "Education isn't a human right", it's kinda easy to get that idea. That's the understanding I've been posting from, so I suppose if I've misunderstood people completely, there's a good reason why there would be a disconnect.
Kid A in a school I went to, a football player, flipped Kid B on their head and slammed them into the ground. Kid B was hospitalized for months, came back to a suspension and kid A got away scott free. The next year, kid A threatened to beat up kid C, beat them to a pulp after class, then got away scott free. Kid C got expelled for hitting A back. what a country.
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What?
I believe he implied they should be put to work at a McDonalds as line cooks.
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Honestly expulsion and suspension as a punishment sort of relies on the parents also properly punishing the kid. It's easier than ever to keep in contact with friends and for kids that don't give a shit about school they sure as shit aren't going to be bothered about not going to school for a little while and having a mark on their permanent record.
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