Woman receives backlash after posing with a rare black giraffe she hunted
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This "news" is actually one year old:
https://www.facebook.com/HuntersAgainstPETA78/posts/1615400471837533
The source is absolute garbage, but what's fascinating is how many other sites seem to be spreading the same fake news within the past weeks.
And nobody questions whether a "rare black giraffe" actually exists. We really do live in the disinformation age.
Yes, some are failing due to their beaucratic nature in a corruption filled area like many of Africas countries. Must be a good reason to strike down one of the only ways preserves have been able to fund themselves in the last few decades.
Here's my question to your counterpoint. When you eventually ban all forms of hunting like this(This we not a trophy hunt, no one seems interested in this) where do you expect these preserves to get their funding from? Taxation? Maybe if the governments get more up to speed, which they are but I don't expect that for a time span of 15-20 years. Donation from wealthy liberals in our countries? The african locals do care about these animals, but they will slaughter them by the thousands to sell them for profit on the markets that accept it because the lives of their children far outweigh the lives of these animals to them, and rightly so.
People like to pay lip service to this, they do not like to do anything about it really. Hunting is not a moral wrong, this particular instance was NOT a trophy hunt despite how no one is interested in reading the actual story, definition of a trophy hunt. Many people so far have responded to my points with little more than moral outrage, or a biased take on hunters being the worst.
This was legal, this was not a trophy hunt, this was an end of life giraffe so it was an ethical hunt. I can not find any trace of what preservation this was at in any of the reporting, and the womans gone into hiding and isn't sharing any more details about this, so anything about whether the locals benefited from this is speculation in either direction.
In all frankness, the anti hunters who are making her into a monster are every bit as bad as they think this woman is.
On a slightly different topic though,
If you are a trophy hunter, and you just killed a rare animal for whatever reason, why in the hell in this day and age are you sharing your photo on social media when you have plenty of other ways to show it off to your friends and relatives. Putting up a picture of you standing over a lion corpse with a gun today is just inviting people to attack you.
I'm not saying they deserve death threats but come on, be responsible about your social media.
Why is it inviting people to attack you?
doesnt that seem like justification for people’s ignorance in the subject which is fueled by many of the activist groups like PETA or whatever who lie or twist the truth for moral outrage arguments?
Maybe if people were educated or cared to even read the shit they talked about there wouldn’t be an outrage culture. I genuinely cannot fault her, it’s the people who react to things without reason who need to be told to shut up from society.
This was posted for a year before she got shit for it from a dishonest clickbaity piece of shit article. Your argument it’s her fault is hollow. Some mouthpiece with a motive and outreach decides after a year to quickly and summarily punish the woman in question and you’re genuinely saying it’s her fault.
how?
"I get what you're saying is fact but I'm still going to perpetuate incorrect information because I don't like this situation despite it being good".
Never underestimate the power of tabloids. People have had their lives made a living hell for less.
Case in point: In Germany, there was once a fake story about a dog holder who was falsely accused of torturing her dogs by some nutcase.
Said nutcase contacted the channel RTL, which then proceeded to produce a serties of fake investigations where they intended to "expose" the dog holder for her "heinous crimes".
They fabricated practically everything in that series, exposing her as doing actions she never did, and harassed the dog holder to the point where she called the police on them.
Of course, this didn't phase the channel one bit (they have a history of acting like this), and to the bitter end they kept portraying her as some monstrous dog-killer, airing it on television for the entire country to see.
Months after the series aired, she was STILL getting harassed by random driveby assholes throwing garbage at her house, or shouting expletives towards her direction. Her neighbors also were convinced she was a dog murderer, despite her best efforts of proving that what the channel had shown was completely fabricated bullshit.
Now what's going to happen to the woman in this article? Keep in mind that this story hasn't just been reported in some shitty local tabloid nobody knows about -- this was reported on globally. Even the tabloids in Switzerland picked up on this fabricated garbage. And considering her full name has been plastered up and down the news, the following things way very well happen:
She may lose contact to neighbors, acquaintances and friends.
She may lose her job (if she had one) and have drastically reduced chances at finding a new job. After all, who wants to employ a heinous giraffe murderer? Bad Press!
She's going to be harassed for months to come. As the comments on these articles, and even this forum show, 99% of the commenters will make no attempt to research the topic, and with a large enough audience, you are sure to find a good amount of asswipes that will harass her both verbally over the internet as well as physically in real life.
.... r-Russian trolls?
Posing next to your kill is something nearly every hunter does with the things they shoot. Go moose hunting? Take a pic of you holding its head up. Kill a giant coyote? Take a pic of you holding it up for scale. Shot your bag limit of geese? Take a pic of you next to them all. So naturally, kill a giraffe? Of course you're going to take a pic of yourself next to it.
Sounds to me like the woman who was harassed has a very good chance of winning a million dollar libel lawsuit.
A few tabloids have picked it up but for the most part it's being picked up and displayed in a more impartial manner.
To go on a trophy hunt or just a hunt in Africa costs tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars. This woman in particular has been on several of these hunts, so I'd wager a decent amount of money that she is absolutely loaded with cash and probably isn't worried about job loss or having to relocate. Her friends probably openly support her pastime or they probably would have had nothing to do with her in the first place if they so openly opposed trophy hunting.
A 27-year-old lawyer and hunter from Dallas, Texas named Nikki Tate went through an identical experience when her Instagram account, featuring her “addiction” for hunting, went viral in December.
Tate, who says she promotes “ethical hunting,” told Fox News that she received death threats for the photos. “I know other female hunters who have received those kinds of comments, and once I started getting a larger audience [on Instagram], random negative comments would start to trickle in,” she said. “Around 10K followers I would start getting private messages, really nasty and threatening comments.”
The quote above is about another woman who experienced similar negative feedback over hunting. Internet bullying, trolling, and ingenuous deaththreats are really the end of the suffering when it comes to this sort of thing. And all that can be solved by just deactivating social media accounts.
Hey look IGNhelper posted fake garbage
Again
look, just because you can post something doesn't mean you should. There's a bit of personal responsibility that people need to realize when they post things online.
No threats against her aren't justified but social media often leaves images outside of context and explanation.
there's people that get upset just seeing a buck killed and posted on the internet. Why even bother, why do you need to announce to the world you slew a giraffe?
If you lived your life worrying that every action you took or word you said might offend someone you'd never do or say anything. Victim blaming, which is what this is, is bullshit. If you don't like her posing with the giraffe, don't follow her on social media and don't go looking for pictures of dead animals just so you can get offended about them. It's not her fault that a bunch of vitriolic, ignorant asshats are trying to ruin her life because they don't like what she does for a living, it's the fault of those asshats.
If you're not cultivating your prey in huge industrial farms that are hugely contributing to global warming then what's even the point of eating meat?
Oh holy fuck are you saying giraffes are being farmed in industrialized, factory conditions now?
I've heard some weird, uninformed and relatively silly takes but hey, you just won an award for totally not getting the point.
That was sarcasm sorry, I can't really blame you though haha.
I understand SOME animals being hunted can be a good thing, but Trophy Hunting is still stupid.
Oh good job, you stood far away and used a high powered rifle to shoot an animal that was standing still grazing from a tree or grass. Big woop. The hardest part about that is sitting in the damn seat on a plane for 8 hours to get there. Great job on your trophy I guess
Telling someone to be cautious is not victim blaming, its telling them to be cautious.
Its completely fine to live your life for yourself and post things you take pride in online, even if it may offend some people. Again, completely fine. But its probably smarter to realize that modern social media thrives on being outraged and offended and loves faux vigilantee-ism. So its probably smarter not to post hunted animals publicly so you can avoid unwanted pizzas, boxes of horse shit, and potentially violent people showing up at your house.
Literally a few posts before you...
At this point since logic and well thought out reasoning doesn’t seem to apply to this thread apparently, I’m just going to go ahead and say this topic is a great indicator for why we need another idiot cull.
Maybe things are in Canada but the hunters in NJ are the biggest hee-haw sister-fucking redneck fucks you can imagine
*Alright lets go for a challenge and use a bow*
Oh good job, you stood far away and used a highly technological bow to shoot an animal that was standing still grazing from a tree or grass. Big woop. The hardest part about that is sitting in the damn seat on a plane for 8 hours to get there. Great job on your trophy I guess
*Alright I guess I could try this with a spear*
Oh good job, you came up to a clueless wild animal and hit it with a pointy stick. Big woop. The hardest part about that is sitting in the damn seat on a plane for 8 hours to get there. Great job on your trophy I guess
*Hmmm might as well train hard and wrestle the damn cougar*
Oh good job, you came up to a clueless wild animal and chocked it with your apex predator hands. Big woop. The hardest part about that is sitting in the damn seat on a plane for 8 hours to get there. Great job on your trophy I guess
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That being said, I'm not even sure why you posted what you posted. People do a fuckload of stuff by going to other countries or even continents and do photos / videos to celebrate that.
He's not completely wrong though. People have been harassed for these kind of pictures for a while now and you have to know that you're probably going to be attacked/harassed by others if you release these kind of pictures.
We're heading towards a more vegan/vegeterian kind of lifestyle right now and these people eat this shit up. Social Media and the Media in general are powerful tools and you can easily be a target for no reason at all.
Is that a good thing? Definitely not but you have to take this into consideration these days. I'm more open minded about this topic now but I still think it's bad to post these pictures online because they won't make you look good,
regardless if you did nothing wrong. You have a different perspective on this issue and yes, you're definitely right but most people don't and like me, we probably just saw a wealthy white woman with a rifle next to a peaceful rare dead giraffe.
I'm trying to understand both sides but don't expect that from every other person. I hope I could explain my thoughts about this a bit better now, than my previous post.
I really won't ever say it's okay that society is filled with people reacting thoughtlessly, let alone sanction that because I disagree with the actions of a person.
As a society, we need to stress to our society that the behaviour we see in this thread, in the comments of the article, is more unacceptable than murdering animals.
Why? It creates dishonest discourse. I don't think our society is headed towards a vegan lifetsyle, nor do I think that would genuinely benefit our societies, our or lands in the long run.
I understand posting these photos is seen in bad taste. I do not understand why that is being used as literal justification for poor behaviour. Few other forms of bullying really get sanctioned by the nebulous left but it seems that it is okay for progressives to push people around, because no one wants to say outright "This is unacceptable". Everyone just wants to say "what did you expect". That disappoints me.
Because freedom of expression exists? Because she wanted to share a personal achievement and didn’t expect to be targeted for something stupidly common as hunting? It’s not her fault that a bunch of rabid snowflakes and overtly sheltered inner city rich kids are absolutely triggered over a picture of a successful hunt.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with hunting for sport, provided that:
It is properly regulated in a way which is sustainable and won’t threaten ecosystems or the overall population of any animals.
Major parts of the animal don’t go to waste. In fact in most places I believe it’s illegal to intentionally leave behind the body without having a good reason (EG: a bear showed up and took it or a serious injury occurred). Even if the hunter doesn’t have use for the meat themselves, they can still donate or sell it. Some places actually have businesses which serve meat from game animals. The exception to this rule would be pest control or attempting to cull invasive species like feral hogs.
The best effort is made to limit/reduce the animal’s suffering as much as possible.
So whats up with the whole trend of fabricating shit to bitch about.
personal responsibility also exists. I can't go on social media and bitch about my employer without reprecussions, people can't talk about lynching people on social media without reprecussions, she posted a picture of her standing over a hunted endangered animal, there are going to be reprecussions, that's the problem with social media being available to everyone and that's why there's also privacy settings (when fb doesn't fuck them up)
Where's the personal responsibility calls for the people reacting without being informed, rational, or reasonable?
She should be able to do this, and yes, she should be able to face the reasonable backlash of her actions, had she been in the wrong.
People, who are uninformed, and uneducated, and seek to continue that ignorance should not be getting a free pass to be the dipshits they are from you.
Everyone has responsibility, not just her. Maybe apply that fairly.
Comparing your responsibility to uphold workplace etiquette is not the same as whats happening here.
Comparing threats to whats happening here is not the same.
The Giraffe she shot is not endangered and is actually growing in numbers in the wild.
Look, I don't think what this woman did was smart. She had every right to post photos of her hunt and she should be encouraged to do so. But she and everyone else knows that social media has a hateboner for this type of thing and it's easier to share photos directly with friends rather than post them online.
With that said, theres no reason for you to be completely dishonest or make retarded comparisons to get your point across.
This womans life is being torn to shreds over fabricated outrage.
Jesus fucking christ.
Look at the front page of our own discourse here.
She's a cunt. More people agree with that view, than any other view.
There's no effort to inform oneself. I don't believe human beings throughout history ever did that, but the option is there, and people STILL aren't doing it. We're little better than a 1910's
newspaper reader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQh-f1rBjx4
This is a fairly concise video on the stuff HumanAbyss was talking about
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