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Ah yes, the classic "everyone who disagrees with me is shitposting". You didn't even make on argument on why they can organize. You just said "people have organized in the past therefore surely these people could organize too if they really wanted to", completely ignoring all context like you have been for the entire thread.

No, you're saying it's impossible for them to organize and I called that dumb bullshit out because it's a bold faced like you keep peddling and I won't tolerate. They can readily organize, it's not like they can't fucking talk, connect through social media, meet outside of work. Lots of fucking things. How the fuck do you think unions organized before when workers did even have telephones and it all had to be done either in person or through the postal service? I'm calling you a shitposter for going "Haha I'm not going to keep arguing haha whatever haha I'm still here saying how I'm totally above this haha!"

They can readily organize, it's not like they can't fucking talk, connect through social media, meet outside of work. Lots of fucking things. Let me just repost this piece of context you conveniently ignored: The workers’ complaints were filed with the NLRB in April but date back to a series of events ranging from November to March. According to NLRB documents, workers distributing union literature were told by security to leave the premises, employees were surveilled and “interrogated,” and managers attempted to prohibit workers from discussing union activities. Workers also complained of being forced to sign an “overly broad” confidentiality agreement “that coerces and intimidates employees from freely exercising their rights.” Sure, they can take alternate methods to organize. But Musk isn't making it easy on them, even ignoring that they allegedly risk being fired for trying. And let me repost this piece of context you also conveniently ignored: Not to mention there's nothing suggesting these workers won't organize in the future. All we know is that they haven't organized yet, and that Elon has been taking measures to prevent them from organizing in the first place. I've never once said it's impossible for them to organize. I'm saying Elon Musk is actively and possibly illegally dissuading them from organizing. But instead of arguing against that, you just made up some dumb bullshit about how people used to take their lumps while they tried to unionize and that somehow makes what Elon is doing okay. And you're right, I really should've stopped arguing with you by now. It's been clear for a while that you'll just keep twisting the argument then claim that anyone who disagrees is a shitposter.

As a reminder, I'll post updated to the op topic when they come out. The labor/conditions dispute isn't the original topic but there's nothing new to present on the topic as of yet so have at it till then. I gotta get busy on something back home though.

We can start here. Elon Musk doesn't have to let his workers unionize for then to be able to if they want to, but you keep treating it as if he needs to for them to do so. So no you haven't said, "It's impossible for them to organize." You're just using disingenuous language and arguments to make the same case, without using the word because it would be even more blatant how crap the argument is. And that quote from the NLRB documents doesn't even matter and is just the NLRB saying "This is what we've been told." It's literally, "So I had heard." rumor stuff. It's not actually evidenced aside from word of mouth. And it's still not anything that would prevent them from unionizing. Again, as I've said since the bloody fucking beginning: They can unionize, they don't want to. The bulk of the employees are not moving to unionize. You just keep going around about how it has nothing to do with what they workers want and that they would totally be unionized if not for Elon Musk. But you can't do the first thing to prove that, haven't been able to at all. And then you use a thing about Walmart to try to say, "No, see Walmart!" when Walmart is an entirely different company with different problems and a different labor force. But your trying to fit a square peg in to a jig-saw puzzle and then say it fits. But that shit doesn't work like that. What Walmart does and how it's workforce behaves and acts is entirely different from Tesla and it's workforce.

If billionaire is a slur then god forbid someone calls Ol' Musky the terrible, accursed word of "cunt".

Musk doesn't have to let his workers unionize for them to be able to in the same way as Walmart employees, who have been unsuccessfully trying to unionize for like 20 years, are able to unionize. In short they can work around the law to penalize them for trying to unionize by putting their job at stake and hiding behind other excuses. It's an actual problem in the US that needs to be addressed.

Not really because they have a much different workforce. Like 5000 stores with something around 1.5 million employees I think? That's a much different beast from the 30000 Tesla has. Scale is a very, very important fact to keep in mind. Not to mention how many new employees are added regularly and old ones leave. The Walmart workforce is a mess, a miasma of ever shifting and changing employees. And a big problem is that many employees are the very young and very old, who are also hard to unionize. The young are often there temporarily and very fickle, and the old often are faced with death and retirement and have a hard time mobilizing to begin with.

Billionaire is not a slur you guys are not getting it. Elon Musk is a Billionaire. This is a fact. But when you use that fact to discredit honest good efforts you are using it as a way to denigrate him. Similar to celebrity. Oh, you're just a celebrity, you're just doing this for publicly. Oh you're a billionaire youre just doing this for the money. Oh you're just a model how can you know? You are using their title to discredit them. It's not a slur on its own, but people absolutely use it to discredit otherwise just actions.

If Musk wants to go down the philanthropist route then he should start off by treating his workers fairly. This is nothing but a distraction/cover-up like every extremely wealthy industrialist has done in the past such as Gates, Zuckerberg, Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc. I am not anti-corporation, far from it but don't fall for these good deeds as legitimate care.

Wow did you guys miss the part where he said free frozen yoghurt

see this is actually a project he can do with reasonable goals and successes. he's just basically doing what habitat for humanity does. this is kind of why our wealth inequality is so scary though, if musk wanted to, he could give every man woman and child in the US 1 million dollars and still have only touched less than 1/20th of his fortune

Uh, you might wanna check your math there, buddy.

Elon confirmed for $330 trillion-aire.

and yet we're on our way, bezoz is now worth over 120 billion, gates around 100, probably would have been more if he didn't give some away. 50% of global wealth is now owned by the 1%, we are already in territory where private individuals have more money than entire countries.

It would take a pretty fucking long time for even Bezos to get over 300 fucking trillion Anyway the only hopes against permanent corporate dystopia is either several rich duded are nice guys or they all leave for another planet to set up Rapture and leave us alone.

Having "heroes" is an intrinsically toxic concept

Why do y'all hating on Elon

Unions aren't evil, but pretending that they're objectively good is just not true. Unions aren't always a good thing.

Personally, I don't really like the guy, but I'm not going to jump around the point - it's 80% because he's a billionaire, 15% because he talks politics on Twitter and claims he's a socialist (he's not and his grasp of basic political concepts is subpar at best), and 5% because I rather cynically assume he's always using situations for PR. I don't believe any single person should have that much wealth. There's no justification for it in terms of fairness and deserved wealth. I'd rather not pretend it's a personal thing because I feel the same about most people who own vast amounts of wealth. It's just annoying to see him paint himself as a victim of some sort of discrimination because people don't like a person who holds literal billions. The anger against him, for a good part, is the manifestation of the realisation of huge wealth inequality, and I believe personally that such anger is justified.

Unions aren't entirely good. Example: I missed an entire semester because 3 schools were mistreating teachers. Every other school in the union veto'd to go on strike but since these 3 schools have a larger stake in the Union the strike went through. What followed was 5 weeks of no classes and when we did get back into class they took away our Christmas break and gave us back to back exams with 1 week breaks in between them

Way to try and hugely oversimplify my point and disregard the entire paragraph of explanation I gave,

This is a pretty concrete statement about a fairly vague concept.

What a shitty way to hate unions; "they made us miss christmas break over their dumb pay raise >:(", If you're actually working and not in school, you'll realize having someone as big as a union to back you for shitty working conditions that threaten your livelihood is a fucking godsend.

Your point is easy to simplify when you constantly say you hate him because he's rich.

I never said it constantly, and I have only posted about it once. Get a grip.

You're post is just multiple ways of saying "he has more money then me therefore I hate him"

It's not worth having this argument with you. You're just going to strawman the entire thing anyway so I'll spare myself the bother.

This is a dumb strawman on the same level as "those who complain about the cost of education just want everything for free". He's not saying he's mad because he has more money than him. He's saying that nobody truly deserve that much wealth, and I personally see no reason to disagree on this.