• James Gunn booted from "Guardians of the Galaxy 3" after old tweets resurface
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Nah, I'd feel weird making even one of those jokes on social media. I'm not saying he deserves to be fired, or that I'm happy to like Mike Cernovich force him out of a job (I'm not), just that making jokes like that under your own name if you're in a very public-facing job or ever expect to be in one is a terrible idea.
His point is that both sides need to be held accountable because its the actions of both that have allowed things like this to happen. Yes, one side who painted the target, but it was the other side who went with it blindly to do the actual damage.
Pretty dumb move on Disney's part. James Gunn was a big part of why the Guardian movies were hits and they dropped him as soon as the faux outrage began. As far as I can tell most people don't give a shit about the tweets.
theres plenty of guilty rapists/pedos that preach against it as a “suspicion shield”/“guilt drop” of sorts, there’s reasons to believe these tweets aren’t genuine sentiments but this particular argument doesn’t do any favors
This is such a weird situation, because I can guarantee if it were somebody else who found these tweets, the reaction would be coming from the opposing side of people. Its just odd. The brand of people who normally use these tactics come out in defense purely because of who the ones finding these tweets are.
That did happen. The first time there was outrage over this it WAS from the left. Guess what happened? He explained himself and apologized and it blew over, and he didn't get fired.
Huh. Yeah that’s the kind of outcome that’s ideal, but unfortunately it doesn’t happen very often. I’m just used to seeing the worst possible outcome where everyone calls for their head despite explanation and apology
There are tools you can use to automatically delete tweets older than x every y days. Every person in the public eye should be using them tbh.
I think people react differently when it comes to criticism from the right, for some reason. This Gunn incident just reminds me of ACORN but somehow dumber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy
Keep in mind this guy was making the show PG porn when he wrote these tweets. Not to mention he worked on the Troma show. It's not suprise he has a twisted sense of humor at the time. I think its dumb that they fired him for something he wrote 7 years ago. He probably should have deleted the tweets when he started working for Disney.But can you really blame the guy. I sure as shit don't remember what I wrote on these forums 7 years ago.
I do. Hope your PR team is ready.
It's not even dirt. It's just gallows humor. I refuse to consider a joke to be some immoral or career ending act just because some people don't think it's appripriate. Maybe we shouldn't care so much about what jokes are appropriate.
I really wish Carlin was still around to fix this shit...
https://twitter.com/DaveBautista/status/1020502763430559744
This shit is so dumb, I guarantee every single person in history has said at least one regrettable thing in their lives, the only difference is we're in an age where it's recorded for people to go back to in 10 years. Think of your favourite 90s musician, they probably said some horrible things but nobody put them in a book so we don't know it. In a few years we're going to have a presidential debate where someone brings up their opponents youtube channel from when they where 12 and show all the dumb shit they said. Remember kids, jokes aren't funny, and anything you say will most definitely be used against you in 10 years.
Truly a loss for the movies industry /s
It genuinely is a loss though. The jokes may be dumb, but he's a great director and I am personally sad that we lost him.
Yup and there people go in the replies, calling Drax a pedophile. Lovely. The alt-right has weaponized the left's moral high horsing against themselves, and the longer people stay oblivious to this, the more ground the alt-right is going to win. As for the MCU, I'm pretty sure that post Infinity War Part 2, the quality is going to take a nose dive. This is just the first sign of what's to come.
This is so kneejerkish its disgusting. Like Disney is so fucking terrified of any slight-hint of outrage they'll bend over backwards just to save their public image. Yes it was dumb as fuck James Gunn made these tweets. But at least he went back and said what he did was idiotic and stupid and didn't deny them. Like i understand certain shit should be held accountable no matter how long a person lives, but this is just fucking petty Bullshit. He said some stupid jokes and has come out and said he completely denounces what he did and has learned from his mistakes. It's not like he murdered a person or did rape ffs.
Look, if you're going to demand they don't hold him accountable for this, then Rosanne shouldn't have recieved the backlash for racism while on a drug that completely deprives you of inhibitions or proper control of your actions. My only, ONLY issue here is the clear, and present hypocrisy in "The person I like lost their job. That's not okay. The people I don't like though, they can lose their jobs".
What drug was rosanne on?
Imho he should be held accountable, but firing is stupid imo. Cause this means if i join the entertainment industry. Some dumbass comment i made while i was in HS can be resurfaced and be used against me.
She's apologized numerous times. Whatever racism she has has been on display for decades. they hired her with that in full view, and knowledge. Firing her over an ambien episode is fucked. You don't want Gun fired from this over this yet you're okay with her being fired? Yes they are different scenarios but the context of each is "There are extenuating circumstances here" and you're only going to pay attention to that in reference to the person you like. Hence my call of hypocrisy. Ambien doesn't make you racist. But it does have a whole host of effects that make you completely out of control, and out of your mind. It's been recorded as allowing people in vegetative states to wake up for the duration of the drug, it's been recorded as giving people with paralysis movement again during the duration of the effects of the drug. Why? We don't know, but to say "Ambien doesn't cause racism" is fucking stupid when it's one of the most complicated pharmaceuticals we have. Either we pay attention to context, and extenuating circumstances, or we don't. We don't get to pick and choose based on whether we like someone. You are doing exactly that.
But the thing is this, he already apologized and stopped making tweets like that years ago. Disney had to have known about it when they hired him back in 2012. It’s like crucifying someone for something dumb or insensitive in middle school. It’s in the past, he apologized an has worked to be a better person. It’s fucking clear that he’s not a pedophile. People are deliberately digging this shit up to ruin his Hollywood career, this is not him showing his true colors and coming out as some disgusting racists asshole.
Ambien, and alcohol. A bad combination. Ambien is one of the single most powerful and complicated, and misunderstood drugs we have available in modern pharmacology. Ambien's producer made a snarky tweet saying "Racism isn't a side effect of ambien" but you know what is? Complete, and utter loss of control of your own actions. As I said previously, other people have been recorded doing crazy shit on Ambien. Kevin James has taken ambien, gone to bed, woke up, cooked full meals and then thrown them in the garbage. In the morning, he asks "Who cooked?" and he thoroughly doesn't believe it was him. Ambien takes control of EVERYTHING away from you for the duration of it's effects.
Again, Gunn was telling tasteless jokes that don’t reflect his actual feelings and opinions. Roseanne was being racist, reflecting her own bigotry. theres a difference here
So when Rosanne apologizes, none of you people give a fuck, or will value that. She did apologize. james gunn doesn't have the benefit of having been completely out of control of his actions when he did what he did. I don't think he should lose his job, but if you argue Rosanne should have, then I can't fathom the hypocrisy allowing you to say Gunn shouldn't.
idk if it's hypocrisy. Cause saying dumb jokes and being a racist is two completely different things with much different weight to them. aka fucking context.
Ambien. There is a difference here. Gunn has no benefit of being able to claim that he was out of his own control. Rosanne does, but NONE of you want to even confront the reality that she wasn't in control of her actions when she said what she did. I do not understand the clear, and present hypocrisy here, and how you can't see it. It is entirely based upon the concept of "I value this person. I don't value this person".
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