James Gunn booted from "Guardians of the Galaxy 3" after old tweets resurface
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The other difference between this and Rosanne is that the dude who brought up the tweets was Mike Cernovich, a right wing nut job, conspiracy theorist and all around asshole.
Yeah, you know what? I'm done arguing with you on this.
If you refuse to even look at the reality of the situation, and look at the reality of her drug use in this context and you refuse to accept it, fuck it I'm done.
We're fine with saying people are out of control in other instances, but we won't admit that with ambien? How about you look into what ambien does dude and you can handwave "CONTEXT" away all fucking day long dude.
People are such hypocrites.
The other other difference is that James Gunn already apologized for these tweets.
So if i were to put myself in this situation. Me saying a dumb joke that was immature and uncalled for back in HS or some "Blunder years" of my life is comparable to that of a person spouting racist bullshit and only denouncing it when people got mad at the person saying racist shit.
Fucking context HumanAbyss, get off your goddamn pedestal of "Enlightened Centralist" here and realize context is fucking important and certain shit has much more weight to stuff than others. FFS
You know what, if you refuse to accept that
1) both people we're talking about have apologized
2) both did something that is considered bad for PR, regardless of the context
3) Only one of these people were in control of their actions
and you argue only one of them should have lose their job, you're a hypocrite.
Idc. It's not hard to see.
Its because James Gunn has already changed while Roseanne was still saying that shit until the day she got sacked.
James Gunn's tweets were jokes from years ago that he's already apologies for and that some nutjob went out of his way to trawl through his twitter to dig up and Roseannes tweets were not jokes she posted herself in the present day.
It's straight up disingenuous to say there's no difference between the two situations. The difference is someone facing consequences for what they say now and someone being branded for life for having ever said it.
You're being disingenious, manipulative and you're removing context from this situation to suit your narrative.
Ambien. I don't have to say anymore. You're literally saying "Ambien doesn't affect people". It does. Google it.
I'm not on any fucking pedestal here.
Honestly, you put yourself on a pedestal with every post you make talking down to literally everoyne. You have every answer, you have no requirement to look further than what you've already acknowledged, right? It's horseshit for you to call out someone else for "being on a pedestal" when you have the attitude you do.
Hey, if I get behind the wheel of a car after drinking or taking medications, I’m not completely in control in my actions either, but you can’t deny that I must accept responsibility for what I do.
Also you’re forgetting the context here. Gunn got fired for something he did years ago, that his employers had to have known about and something he apologized for and hasn’t continued to do since then.
Barr slipped up in the here and now.
This is like firing someone for saying stuff like “omg that so gay” years ago before realizing how offensive that is.
Fuck it, I’m guilty of shit like that, should I be fired from my job for something I said ten years ago and have since never repeated?
Context is king here
I'm not the one saying there is no difference!
IF anyone read what I was saying, I've been saying the difference here is one of them wasn't in control of their actions.
Literally not one post has accepted that ambien is a powerful drug that can completely take over someones mind for a period of time.
Hasn’t Rosanne been called out on Twitter recently for saying racist shit post-ambien incident?
Alright, maybe she wasn't in control of it. But im saying is that racist ramblings has much more weight to it than some shitty immature joke.
There's a lot more differences than just ambien.
there's also no reason to accuse people of being hypocrites if, as you admit, there are differences between Rosanne and Gunn
Yeah, cause it’s an analogy. You still are responsible for your shit, no matter where you are and what you do.
Also, this is the here and now. Barr said something stupid in the past and continued to say stupid shit in the present. Hell, she’s still saying stupid shit in the present. Gunn hasn’t.
That’s the hypocrisy.
Hell even if it was racist related shit on both ends of aisle. I would give more of a benefit of a doubt/sympathy for a dude who was originally a skinhead/kkk member like 10-15 years ago and has completely apologized, denounced what he has done, and has become a better individual.
Compared to someone who was spouting the shit just yesterday and only beginning to apologize after people got mad.
And you're acting like that is the only difference and are brushing all other context under the rug in order to call anyone who maybe has different values from you hypocritical.
AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE I WOULD CALL BULLSHIT. But that wasn't the case was it?
I don't think people should be fired for jokes. I don't think people should be fired for what they've said years ago. But Barrs wasn't fired for jokes or for something she said years ago - she was fired for what she said in the present and I don't believe drugs are a catch all excuse.
Like you might well disagree, but I don't believe I am in anyway bending my ideals to say that one is more acceptable than the other.
If James Gunn went on a racist tirade this past week off the back of drugs I would be a lot more sympathetic of Disney's firing him.
And if someone dug up Barrs tweets from years ago specifically to smear her I would also feel that was somewhat unfair.
So stop trying to brand anyone who sees two different situations and comes to two different conclusions as a partisan hypocrite.
I would recommend you look more into her life, and the context you're so happy to talk about in other contexts, to see why she's still on ambien.
I'm not, for one second, trying to act like she isn't guilty of being publicly racist. She's a fucking nut. This particular instance of racism though? Not her worst, loudest, or most overt. Not even particularly bad. Saying she thought a woman who is not apparently black is jewish as an excuse is inexcusable for you, but for many other people they get it. Do you think those people are racist?
tons of people have told her to stop taking ambien. Context is king, maybe look into why she hasn't?
I'm trying to offer a different side of this argument, not be a "englightend centrist". I'm trying to raise points I don't see anyone else doing. I know, that's not cool on FP right now, we should all just be posting the same shit, along the same lines, condeming or appreciating the same shit. But I have a different view here. I don't care if you think that's dumb, or "englightend centrist" shit. I just want to talk about it.
Ambien doesn't magically turn you into a racist.
Pretty sure those thoughts have to be there first.
yeah researching this. I dont see anything about "Turning you into a racist". The Racist ramblings is from the person not the drug itself, since i imagine the drug just shuts down all filters and unleashes what the person really thinks.
Like give the drug to a normal chap and it'll just make them an ass. Give it to a racist, and filters all shut off.
To be fair, the outrage mongers calling themselves "the left" have a history of digging up old tweets from people they don't like and trying to use that to get people booted. Remember after The Last Night released a trailer for E3 2017 and people dug up tweets Tim Soret made a year or so before showing support for GamerGate and he was pretty much forced to apologize the next day? Hell, someone here posted a tweet from Patrick Klepek decrying this current business when he was one of the people leading the charge against Soret. I mean, he practically admitted it in that tweet. "Weaponized the left's morality"? He might as well outright admitted "It's only okay when WE do it!" with that line. And then there's the recent business of people getting pissy at Good Old Games because they tweeted an announcement for Postal 2 that showed a .gif from the game where Postal Dude is pissing on a gravestone marked "RIP Games Journalism Aug 2014" (Which I believe is still in the game). The Outrage Machine lunged at them and they were forced to take the tweet down and apologize for that. These examples and more showcase how willing the people who are currently decrying this James Gunn business are to use these tactics themselves. But the moment someone tries to manufacture outrage against someone on THEIR side? Suddenly it's no longer okay! It was only a matter of time before something like this happened, and it could have been easily avoided if people had realized sooner that internet mob justice is an objectively shitty thing that should have never been started up. But since that's not the case, allow me to bask in the schadenfreude as they're forced to sleep in the bed they made.
You’re the one who’s failing to recognize the context here, not us. If Gunn was still making these kinds of tweets, I’m doubtful people would be willing to stand up for him as much as they are now. Hell, when I first heard about it, I was pretty against Gunn, until I realized the complete circumstances surrounding the tweets.
I don't remember saying things that were too out-there but I did use my real name on some roleplay servers and I am super concerned that it will come back to bite me. I feel like it will be so easy to do entire searches of someone's entire internet history in the near future.
Does no one know who James Gunn was pre-Guardians? Those tweets seem right in line with the kind of humor and subject matter in his earlier work, the guy was an edgy action comedy director.
Lambeth posted:
The other difference between this and Rosanne is that the dude who brought up the tweets was Patrick Klepek, a left wing nut job, conspiracy theorist and all around asshole.
Because people only started getting their panties in a twist about it now. It didn't matter back then, people had thicker skins and just ignored it when people posted dumb, classles jokes to Twitter, but nowadays you can't even hint at it without fucking your career in the ass.
God the idea that the those tweets were dug up because of genuine concern needs to stop.
Mike Cernovich is a conspiracy peddling sex offender who scams people with brain enhancing sugar pills and thinks that all the politicians he doesn't like run a satanic child sex ring.
This isn't the same as an at least well meaning liberal calling him out, this is a far right smear campaign that means way more than just a Marvel movie not getting made.
Considering the Fox deal has to still go through the same (very petty) government that Gunn has been (quite rightfully) shitting on for years this feels more like a convenient excuse.
I'm not going to forgive Roseanne for being a racist bitch no matter how much you try to capitalize on a thread about a completely unrelated person's completely unrelated situation
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