Amsterdam 'lawless jungle' at night, ombudsman warns - Sensationalist Headlines

Most Dutch cities are very similar in architecture and so on. Unless you want to see the famous museums there, you could go literally anywhere else but Amsterdam. You could go to the birthplace of the cheese of the same name and also the famous stroopwafels: Gouda. Or Utrecht, which also has nice canals. Haarlem is often named as a good alternative to Amsterdam. If you’d like to see the medieval court in and next to which our parliament is, you could go to the Hague. Naarden is a cool fortress town with unique fortifications around it, still intact. There are loads of towns that still have medieval castles, towers, city walls, churches etc. My hometown, Zutphen, for example. I think it’s won awards for having the most beautiful town center in the Netherlands or something like that several times. I mean, I don’t really want to be on the ‘Amsterdam is shit lol’ train, but the Netherlands has so much more to offer than just Amsterdam. We Dutch like to complain about our public transport, but it’s among the best in the world, so you can get to most of these places pretty well too. I think it’s also nice to obtain a bicycle from somewhere so you can cycle places and experience that aspect of Dutch culture as well.

It isn't really bad, it's just really overhyped. Going there for a day and seeing everything is nice. Apart from some museums, it just isn't unique and doesn't represent the country well at all. It's a shame when people go to Amsterdam and think they've seen the Netherlands.

I was mugged in Amsterdam when I visited a year or so ago. Personally I don't think my experience there was reflective of the city as a whole, I fucked up and was on the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time. The rest of my stay in Amsterdam was lovely and the Rijksmuseum is awesome.

Have you noticed that Amsterdam's concentric canals resemble the circles of hell?

Why is it so bad? Do they have a ton of peaceful refugees?

https://i.imgur.com/KUXroj0.png

One thing to add to that list: Want to join a clusterfuck of traffic? Go to Amsterdam.

seano shut the fuck up

Thank you.

No, the problem isn't refugees. It's tourists. Either way, just to destroy your USA boner, I'll list some of the US cities which are ranked significantly lower (meaning more dangerous) on the safety index: Boston, New York City, San Diego, Honolulu, Dallas, Orlando, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta, St Louis, Los Angeles, Oakland, New Orleans, Baltimore, Washington DC, Detroit, Miami, Chicago and Memphis. All cities listed after Philadelphia are more dangerous than the most dangerous European city. The two most dangerous European cities are Brussels and Marseille, solely because of terrorist attacks. The third most dangerous European city is Rome, which is ranked exactly the same as Dallas. Not counting terrorism, every US city listed after Dallas is more dangerous than the most dangerous European city. I guess that's because of all the refugees?

Aren't crimes purposely not reported in some European countries in order to hide the real numbers? I thought I read that somewhere. Also why do you think all of those big cities are so dangerous?

you're going to need an actual source on that

If all the refugees were actually committing crimes we'd be in some deep shit. Alas, they're not.

"Aren't crimes purposely not reported in some of the least corrupt countries on this world to hide the real numbers?" Please don't make sourceless claims like that. " Also why do you think all of those big cities are so dangerous?" Because most US cities suck at preventing crime? Those cities aren't larger or more populated than European cities. Atlanta's population is just a sixth of Rome's.

quit getting ate up with fucking conspiracy theorist or other such avoiding nonsense to fuel your xenophobic agenda and open your eyes as to what's really going on

what the fuck

Which was the result of a specific group of incidents in one city in a specific timeframe, to prevent people from thinking this represented refugees. It has nothing to do with the other cities' reports. It isn't some conspiracy to make it seem safer by hiding the real numbers. They only held back the number of criminal refugees, not the number of criminals or crimes committed. The total number of crimes reported is still actual.

Still fully irrelevant, as the actual crime rates themselves were reported.

There are several factors that can distort those statistics a bit, though. They are the product of how the police operates,for example. If the police decides to survey AZC's more, of course more crime will be detected. There are also a lot of young men among the asylum seekers. Young men are often more criminal than other demographics. The statistics of crime by asylum seekers should therefore be compared more to young Dutch men, instead of the entire Dutch population. There's more here: Rammelende conclusies over criminaliteit onder asielzoekers Research by the Ministry of Justice concluded this half a year ago, by the way: ‘Asielzoekerscentrum brengt buurt geen extra criminaliteit’ This article about the experiences of the people living around an AZC is also quite interesting: In Beverwaard was woede om azc het grootst, maar daar is niets m.. People who live around AZC's are often actually saddened by the fact that the AZC is closing or moving.

Amsterdam was pretty good when I went. Very expensive though. Also hate the whole 'pay to use the toilet' (even in Nightclubs/Pubs where I'd bought drinks). Had my phone stolen too by some guy by the canal who was talking to me when I was slightly intoxicated. Keep your whits about you

Amsterdam isn't half-bad once you get out of the city centre. My favorite coffee shop when I was there was De Graal, located at the end of Albert Cuypstraat just south of the downtown canal ring. They truly had something for everyone there, 3 levels with different seating arrangements, lotta plants for interior decoration, good weed which was slightly cheaper than the Amsterdam average and the best part: the innermost room which was full of instruments. In addition, weekly jam sessions and recording studios for rent. And the clientelle was mostly locals too.

I don't know anyone that considers Amsterdam locals as 'Dutch'

And why does that matter? They're people who live and work in the city, locals.