Trans Activists are hijacking the Lobster Emoji till they add a Trans flag Emoji
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https://youtu.be/OJ3SRV8QPfU
Get enough people to make the association by having community leaders with a large following behave in kind
tldr have friends (this is the part you need to work on)
"have enough people repeat what you're doing"
is not a good logical, or reasoned justification for why it's a correct action.
I must have missed the part where I attributed ethics to this discussion.
It's perfectly logical, however; average behavior is society. Change what people are doing and you change society.
I don't think geel has any problem with this happening, and I don't think you trying to zing him with "you just need friends bro" level "arguments" is helping
I didn't say you brought ethics into it, but you are saying that he just doesn't have enough friends to take it back.
Geel was never arguing whether he should be able to do that, but whether it was a reasonable thing to do at all
Rather than deal with that reality at all you just insulted him "for not having friends" and moved on as if that was an argument about why it was right, much like geel was asking for someone to provide
But hey, zing away I guess
I never use Emojis because I’m lazy. So this thread made me look at my iPhone emojis. Holy shit they have some dope emojis now a days! Genies! Zombies! A MOTHERFUCKING WIZARD!
And you should learn to read valid points when they don't agree with you rather than hand waving them away
A large number of people behind a cause doesn't make it right, as SKS implied.
What?
A large number of people doing a thing and that thing being associated with them, allows them to hijack said meme so that it will be commonly associated with them.
How is this hard to understand?
I 100% understand that.
My point, to be totally clear, is that doesn't mean the thing is justified.
I guess you're right that no one else is talking about that. My mistake.
speaking from experience I take it
I mean I don't really have an interest in bringing ethics into this, but do you think it's wrong to hijack a cultural meme? If you do, why? Pardon me for assuming this time but it does seem like you have a problem with that concept.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that emojis have a meaning that can be hijacked.
Emojis are used as people please. To use the term "hijack" in reference to a picture of a lobster is pretty ridiculous.
That's what my post is about.
take over (something) and use it for a different purpose.
It seems like a pretty good use of the definition to me.
In the contexts these people are concerned about, the meaning will completely change. It will no longer mean a literal lobster to them, and many others, it will represent the trans flag.
It means that a bunch of people are using it in a way that shifts it's popularly perceived meaning. For example, there's nothing actually gay about a rainbow
I just don't get the point. I don't really have any skin in the game so they can do whatever they want, but from afar it looks ineffectual at best, and just dumb at worst.
I get that they can do this, I get that they have the power and the will and the cultural clout to say "we're taking this for us" but can I ask, why? Does it actually do what they say it's doing? Does
this sort of activism really foster support in people who would be indifferent or against it? As a person who is, as I said, part of the "lgbt" group I don't get it. Does that mean i'm transphobic or don't think they can do that, and by expressing that I'm in either of those camps?
Would asking everyone to be more exacting in their reasoning really be of harm to anyone? To you?
How do you "take over" an emoji that anyone can use as they please? e
Yes just like tree emojis aren't often used to refer to a literal tree but we don't write articles about how stoners are hijacking the tree emoji until a weed emoji is added. e
Can we get a gas mask emoji for facepunch?
or a big pink dildo?
No, but the gay community itself has attached itself to it in a publicly expressed way
Are you really going to argue the general public is now going to think of a lobster emoji as a symbol for "trans" in a serious way until they get a flag that people might also not know, or recognize?
I suspect things like the Rainbow flag the LGBT community has gathered around are intentionally used as symbols that expressed an easy message. I don't fully understand the argument of having a different flag for every subgroup in the group because it doesn't seem to further the cause, help explain things, or be approachable in nature. It seems anti inclusive to be honest, it seems like it fosters divisions inside subgroups.
you really don't need to tbh, it aint your thing. They're deciding to do it, so clearly it helps them some way. if you don't see the point of it then turn around and go on your merry way
Oh so I can't talk about it?
Why not?
Didn't say you can't talk about it. but in my opinion you guys discussing how silly/arbitrary this is is 10x more silly and arbitrary
So questioning things in the world as they occur is "silly and arbitrary" to you?
Oh sorry I was doing something I'm sure you regularly do in other instances
By logical deduction wouldn't your discussion about how silly and arbitrary our discussion of its silliness and arbitrariness is be 100x more silly and arbitrary than the original point?
Well, no, obviously, because what you just said is idiotic.
I mean, you're posting in this thread, right? At the very least you're aware. I don't think this one will have a hard time to enter the bloodstream of the zeitgeist given how sensitive we are to these issues right now.
I'm just saying that they're doing this for their own reasons. They clearly find it worthwhile doing. It's just emojis bud, if you don't get it, move along.
Thank goodness; I thought they were doing it for someone else's reasons.
People tend to do things they find worthwhile, yes.
Here I was under the impression we were talking about automobiles.
Where did I say I don't get it?
Why?
Because your entire argument is based off the idea that this action accomplishes nothing (based on fuck all). When clearly it's important enough for them to want to do
What is my argument?
Where did I say this?
Everything anyone does is done under the assumption that it's important enough to do, yes.
Your insight into human psychology is unrivaled.
oh no, you're right, it was this gem
this thread is embarassing
if you want to know why these specific people do this, why not ask them? it's not like it's impossible to reach them over the internet.
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