French woman punched by catcaller in public for telling him to "shut up" - Sensationalist Headlines

shoulda hit him with the chair dude

How is that enabling? I'm saying I find it idiotic, doesn't mean I'm going to lie and say it never works.

Thousands of young dudes are gonna watch this video and genuinely, unironically think he's in the right

I never said you could DO anything, I said you could say anything. I don't believe that bad behaviour will be weeded out itself either, I believe that the consequences of making a law against something poorly defined like catcalling are potentially bigger than people running around saying things you don't like. Again you are putting words in my mouth and making strawmans.

thats why people are calling you an idiot

Not if you are reading the replies it's not. If you believe so you are welcome to expand on why that makes me an idiot.

I feel like many of us underplay the impact of catcalling since (I presume) many of us are male and don't see the harm in those words but it's really important to be in the shoes of women that are catcalled. If you think about it, it is incredibly creepy and unnerving to be called out sexually by men who regularly catcall (and they do not look one bit flattering)

Didn't say you were

Good. I think this is a very valid thing to have a discussion about because I'm seeing a trend around me in people, especially younger ones wanting government to control speech in various forms of ways.

Its not speech though, its just random sexual comments what is there to protect

Finally a great question! It's not just about that even if that's the case many times. If you introduce a law that enables you to be fined for catcalling then how would that law be written? It's ambiguous even if most of us can determine it on sight. If catcalling is defined by among other things, people saying things you don't want to hear to you on the street and whistling on people then that becomes a problem. The problem lies in that it's very much how the victim subjectively feels that defines if it's catcalling or some crude pick up attempt. If you look in some of the other posters comments they have clearly stated that the catcaller in their analogies are hairy and scary. Should that attribute to if it's catcalling or not? No, that would not be fair as scary looking people would be more prone to getting fined.This is normal human behaviour though, we try to make sense of everything around us and while most of the time we are correct, sometimes we are wrong. That's why a law can't be based on a person's subjective feelings. There would probably be people getting fined even though their intent wasn't to behave badly and if you would make such a law how would it be enforced? It's the catcallers word against the person getting catcalled. And the other thing I see as an issue is that a law against this is not needed. It's already illegal to harass or assault people. Bottom line, with the law we run a risk of fining innocent people either out of mistake or because the woman is crazy and without the law people will get annoyed because people will catcall. For me the choice is clear. Fines and punishment are very poor at reducing crime incident by the way.

Well for one sexual harassment shouldnt be covered by "free speech", and France doesnt have that freedom to begin with. Their government is a big fan of subjugation.

Yes I agree. But is it sexual harassment to say to a woman that she is beautiful when she isn't interested in you and doesn't want you to? You and I probably agree it's not but I know there is a surprising amount of people who would think so and a lot of people who catcall are doing just that even though it's in a very crude tone which again is subjective. If there is a law against this people would be fined for catcalling even though they wouldn't get punished for sexual harassment. If there isn't a law people could get punished for sexual harassment but it would still be safe to tell a woman she is beautiful.

If you conduct unwanted advances at people in public places that would be harassment and has nothing to do with nice compliments during an established conversation. How can you even mix those up?

But you're ignoring the context Catcalling is 99% of the time cunts in the street or in open areas It is not in situations you're talking about There is a gigantic difference between asking a girl out at a club in an on aggressive way and shouting "COR LOVE LIFES GOOD WHEN YOU'RE AROUND" across the street

Laws like these ignore context, that is the point. If a law can be misinterpreted it needs to be changed or not exist. And what is non aggressive to one person might not be it to another. You can't make a law that says you can't catcall because it's poorly defined and France already has a law against sexual harassment. There is nothing to be gained here since if you are overly crude or systematic you will get charged with sexual harassment. Introducing a new law only has negative effects. It's like the law we introduced in Sweden now. You have to ask the other person if they want to have sex before and they have to answer yes or it's rape. Well it changes nothing because it's still word against word and now if a woman says she didn't want it and the guy says he didn't ask on stand he will get charged even though the woman might have wanted it in the moment. Only thing that has changed is that me and my girlfriend are serial rapists.

Since when is France a totalitarian state that dictates what people speak?

No it's not? You get one night stands with women by talking to them and showing interest and if you don't do that you will never know if they want you to advance or not. Not every man or woman is interested in knowing your life story, some people just want to fuck and that's fine. I agree that just going straight for sex talk is weird and creepy though but like I've said before, I have seen it work for very attractive guys. The issue for me is not what they are saying (unless it's a threat), it's the systematic stalking behaviour.

Yeah, cat calling isn't covered under free speech. Nor is harassment. Get over it.

Ok I'm done with this thread so no point in replying anymore. I still don't think we should make laws against saying stuff and thank god most of the people from the real world who aren't as disattached as you agree with me. Unwanted advances = sexual harassment. Good luck with the lady hunting :V

For your own good, I feel like you probably just shouldn't try and flirt with people

There is a huge difference between making a pass at a woman and straight up just being a pervert. Complementing someone and catcalling at two different fucking things. Don't call people detached because they don't agree with you.

You do realize that cat-calling isnt anywhere close to flirting at the club, right? Do you even understand what cat calling actually is?

Maybe you should walk out of your dungeon for once and see how the real world works

The right to free speech is the right to not be arrested for political opinions. It is not the right to openly harass people out on the street. That just makes you a cunt.

You are actually fucking stupid.

I'm just gonna reply anyway: Fuck catcalling. It does more harm than you think. I got catcalled when I was as young as 12 years walking to the supermarket, minding my own business. Going to the beach was awful as well for this reason, I just quit going there. That should give you an idea on from how young women get harassed like this and it's something that you yourself have no control over. It doesn't feel nice or good to hear from a random stranger you've got a nice ass or tits or whatever, it just makes you want to move on quickly. And when you don't respond, you'll get called a whore or whatever because you're not giving the guy attention. Do you really think women like getting random sexual comments disguised as so-called harmless compliments when they are just on their way to buy groceries? Do you honestly think it's harmless to refer to random women on the street as a nice pair of tits? Fuck off with your dumbass bullshit.

Its a shame they didnt aprehend him, they let him walk away

Are you thick? How is hitting a woman because she told you to shut up even remotely equal to being fined for harrassing women? What sort of spesh mental gymanistics are going through your head?

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