Two women in Malaysia sentenced to caning for having sex - Sensationalist Headlines

I'll have to call that out as it's been discussed already that they are probably being done for sex in public and kind of convolutes the situation. Happens all the time in many other Islamic countries too. Better examples are needed.

Malaysia: Court Convicts 9 Transgender Women Malaysia: Rising Intolerance Threatens Rights Malaysia: Transgender People Under Threat “I’m Scared to Be a Woman” Human Rights Abuses Against Transgender People in Malaysia Also this is a 72 page article. No, we are not LGBT-friendly, says Putrajaya Malaysian university holds contest to convert gay students Same As It Ever Was. Once again, Malaysia's ruling party turns to outdated sodomy laws to discredit the opposition. Rein in religious police raids against transgenders Transgender Woman Brutally Murdered in Malaysia Rape and Murder of Teen Shows Lack of Justice for LGBT Malaysians Malaysia holds contest on how to 'prevent' homosexuality Malaysian newspaper publishes ‘how to spot a gay’ checklist LGBT Rights in Malaysia Gay people have an ‘organic disorder,’ says Malaysia’s deputy health minister Gay people will make Malaysia ‘unhealthy and unethical’ if they achieve equality, says leader ‘Gender Confusion’ in Malaysia: LGBT Resistance to Burgeoning Homophobia LGBT people have become an increasingly valuable “political bargaining chip” for the ruling party in Malaysia. Shari‘a Law Is Threatening LGBT Rights Across Muslim-Majority Southeast Asia Here's a shit ton of examples of people being convicted, caught, forced into hiding, and being persecuted for being LGBT. And the Fucking OP article is an example as well for fuck sake.

As i said, they were being fined and caned for public sex, which halpened to be lesbian sex. The'res a lot of people being puninshed for indecent acts, not only LGBT. Note that the article never mentioned the law itself, as to construe a directed view that Malaysian persecutes LGBT. These are the full scope of the Islamic law under 'Decency', which are governed by individual states. These acts are for Muslims, of course. Decency: Seksyen 25. Act of selling him/herself/ prostitution Seksyen 26. Act of preparing for prostituting wife or children Seksyen 27. Prostituting wife or children Seksyen 28. Adultery Seksyen 29. Acts towards Adultery Seksyen 30. Acts of Lesbian Seksyen 31. Acts towards extramarital sex Seksyen 32. Acts of Bestiality Seksyen 33. Indecency in public place Seksyen 34. Acts of extreme exposure of oneself.in public place

The "Bangkok/Thailand" news site you're arguing against is these guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch

You are doing mental gymnastics and you know it. There are far more other articles in there other than arrests too.

Also more videos. https://youtu.be/bMCl0NkQ6Qg "Muslim, trans and banned: In this documentary from 2016 we see religiouspolice patrol the streets to arrest those they claim are posing as women after the government of Malaysia declared transgender people to beagainst Islam. Human rights groups have previously said Malaysia was one of the worst places in the world to be transgender. Marcel Theroux reported on a community under siege."

Yet he didn't tellus on what occasion he was detained, wasn't he? He only told of his experience in jail, but never tell us the whole stories. See this video. That man is an Islamic religions personnel. Did he went around dragging people to jail? Nope, because people don't do that here. The LGBTs are mostly convicted when they are at illegal night clubs and wild parties, as i have referenced. They were detained for indecent behaviour in public. I personally have been contacted by transgender people by Wechat at airport (Wechat can search for nearby people) offering me to go to wild parties with them. She's from Thailand. These guys werent doing indecent acts in public, and there's no reason for anybody to go after them. https://youtu.be/Smm3WNOXKUc

So some random youtube video somehow discredits the fucking Human Rights Watch. Christ you're dense.

Look at the video again. Note all of them either get in trouble for prostituting, or during fights with drunken club clients. In Malaysia, people usually drinks in clubs, and by situations that they gave, those are wild parties. The religious personnel clearly said that so far in his jurisdiction, no one was arrested in account for being LGBT, but for other unlawful activities. Please watch your own videos.

This is literally how every single campaign against minorities goes. "They weren't arrested for being black, they were arrested for being uneducated!" "They weren't arrested for being Jews, they were arrested for hoarding wealth!" It's invented charges targeting a minority. Buzz off with this drooling appeal to authority. You hate trans people? Good for you, don't try to play it off as something else.

"The nine women, known as mak nyah in Malaysia, were attending a private birthday party at a hotel when officials from the Kelantan Islamic Department (JHEAIK) raided the party and arrested them. In each state in Malaysia, religious department officials are responsible for enforcing state Sharia criminal codes. In Kelantan, section 7 of the Syariah (Sharia) Criminal Code of 1985 states that “Any male person who,in any public place, wears woman attire and poses as a woman shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding one thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four months or to both.”

Private birthday party at a hotel. Probably it's different in other countries, but that is the usual modes of operation for prostitutes in Malaysia. I can't continue repeating myself, as i had to go.to bed now. But suffice to say, if you still had any doubt, then come to Malaysia, and keep.watch for few days beside the road. And then get back to me if you see any transgender person getting hauled out of nowhere while walking.

Except in that article there is no mention of them being prostitutes. And again. You assuming they're prostitutes for being Transgenders.

And you are assuming that the kid killed is a LGBT, and the killing motives was due to his sexual orientation. Said whom? Read these 7 recent high profile murder case. Half of them are minors. Are those minors LGBT? https://amazingnara.com/7-kes-bunuh-berprofil-tinggi-yang-berlaku-di-malaysia-pada-tahun-2017/ The bully cases involves all walks of life, from a college kid, Islamic religious study student, a uniformed cadet, a navy member. These isnt even about LGBT. All of the involved criminals were convicted. And those criminals are not the governemnt, or the authorities. The criminals are isolated group of people. How would you say the government are being unfair, if they have taken necessary effort to bring them to justice?

I can't read that cause i dont speak Malay. Also why the fuck is Kim Jong Un's brother in the article.

I wasn't aware that gays like me had an agenda based entirely off being gay I guess you guys figured out our secret gay conversion camps after all

https://youtu.be/TQq4LjSF2rc?t=53 There will be no dawn, for straight men...

You make fun of us again and I'll put you in the gay chamber and fill the room with deadly ass

Yeah, I know what you mean. To be honest, LGBT was never an issue. But recently, after/during the election, the new ruling party has rose to power. These new heads of the ministries had to come up with new agenda to show off their progressiveness. So the minister of Islamic Religion came up with as-a-matter-of-fact policy, which is protecting the rights of LGBT. Being a new minister, and just step into office, there's literally hundreds of other iasues that people are pushing onto him. For example the standardisation of religious school, the encroaching danger of Shia radicality, rogue Islamic teaching, ISIS terrosist influence, and many more. But he chose the topic that people had no lroblem.with doing all along, leaving all the other asides. Thus people whose disappointed with his lack of attention to other issues, are flaming on him. Thus came their disapprovals, hence the 'agenda of LGBT' ect.

I seriously fucking hope you didn't take what he said seriously...

nigga come on you're from one of the best examples of islamic countries (+ post british colonial) that kept itself together, the least you can do is be honest and say "Its not good for LGBT people here".

Stalketeer as someone from a similarly religiously-dominant Southeast Asian country I get where you're coming from, but you're being really dense on trying to understand what people mean when LGBT rights and overall sentiment are actually really awful in Malaysia. Just because your personal experience, be it close relatives, friends, colleagues etc. is relatively tame and calm doesn't mean everyone else in the country isn't suffering. LGBT rights are barely here too, and while yes prominent celebrities that are openly gay, and even a trans politician being recently elected is a thing, there's still a lot of ass-backwards laws that prevent LGBT people from having the same rights as everyone else, and there's still a negative stereotype and sentiment due to the nature of being a dominantly Catholic + Muslim country. (Not even going over the fact we're one of the two countries that don't have divorce legally available). Malaysia is in a similar, if not worse state right now, and just because you happen to have met LGBT people living relatively normal lives doesn't mean everyone else has it cushy, and even worse is all of them most likely have to keep things at a down low, and the ones that are safe are only safe thankfully because they're surrounded by hopefully decent people. The OP itself is an example, along with the piles of evidence everyone else have linked here. There's nothing wrong with defending your country but you don't turn a blind eye on issues that are actually given facts and evidence that they are happening. People being discreet and smart is not an excuse for a terrible inhumane law in the first place. You can provide positive examples of yourself and your community, but still acknowledge that there's a problem in the overall bigger picture. LGBT people are suffering in Malaysia and you can't deny the evidence of those who have experienced punishment already just for being themselves. Once again just because the ones in your relative circle are doing fine, the whole country is a bigger place and there's a lot of things going on, and evidence suggests it happens more than you are led to believe and have personally experienced. You're literally arguing like a child and turning a blind eye on reality. Also if you're going to defend a highly controversial topic, can you please spellcheck your words like jeeze it's like every sentence will contain 5 typos and a dozen grammar mistakes, it actually makes your incoherent posts much more confusing.

For whatever reason, Malaysian governments like to do shit like this it's like their fetish or something - see also Indonesia and Singapore. Only Philippines somehow didn't

Yo genuine question whats it like the Phillipines now, what was it like when Deturte arrived?

If you're saying that LGBT are frowned upon by most Malaysian, then you're right. For the reasons we have stated; social norms, religions. The sentiment of not encouraging LGBT is undoubtedly there,.ad people will conform.to their religion and social.norms But I cannot agree if you say LGBT's rights are trampled on by Malaysian. Evidence that are posted by Deathtroopers are rather faulty and filtered, to suit the purpose of the writers. For example, just look at the articles featuring a kid that died of bullying. The motives isnt even about LGBT, nor the kid is one. They just thought the kid looks 'soft', and decided that he's LGBT. Reading the formal news would give you better picture, instead of hack and pasted opinionated miaconstrued opinion piece. Read those articles yourselves if you don't believe me. You will notice that those sites never mentioned the occasion of when and where the people are detained, which will explain the reason for their detainment. Such inconvenient facts a left out. If I can link to you the sources, i would have, but most the news are in Malay languages, and seeing that DeathTrooper had problem reading it, I would not link them anymore. Sorry for the typos, 3 inch screen of Xperia Z5 Compact is not the easiest thing to type on, or to proofread things

More evidence if you still don't believe me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoOStp-uio And more from that """Prostitute""" . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlG1lD97qA

Pre-election/campaigning Duterte to first year since his election definitely gave a surge of political activity from people and a divide between groups. It really was the first time the status quo was challenged, and this gave inspiration to a lot of people from all sides. A large vocal majority supported his promise of eradicating crime even if it means drastic measures, which also in turn spawned a notable amount of people going against drastic measures and that if there's going to be a political revolution within the country, it shouldn't be through bloodshed. The negatives which are known internationally have definitely happened, which includes senseless deaths, and cops taking advantage of the situation to excuse their own incompetence, maliciousness or laziness. The ironic part is this didn't really even change the 'crime climate' because of course poverty still exists, and as long as people are suffering, of course there always will be crime. People like to believe it so, and I understand them because for those who aren't as unlucky to grow and live in the slums and the streets, the low-middle-class would just like the peace of mind of not getting mugged, stabbed or shot by a person living in a more unfortunate situation. At the very least, people against Duterte have started to amass a little bit at the present time, though unfortunately still not as many as one would hope. It's even worse that one of the fears of Martial Law actually did happen, though on a smaller scale with a somewhat justified motive of the ISIS attacks in Mindanao. However this is starting to feel too prolonged and people in that part of the country is really starting to feel the repercussions of Martial Law. Going to the positives, it did unite more people as well. Church groups have started to be more active campaigning against crimes against humanity, which also had the positive effect of giving people like LGBT groups spread awareness, curbing stereotypes and spreading the message on how everyone can unite towards a better future. While progressive religious sectors aren't new, this was the first time they were much more open and active with people from different societies. This was a powerful enough movement to garner enough support to have our first ever openly transgender politician elected as I mentioned in my earlier post. The youth in general have also been more politically aware, and despite a large amount of them are Pro-Duterte, there's been a resurgence of people questioning his stances and views, especially in making people more aware of the bigger picture of the country. The recent years with Duterte has definitely divided a lot of people, and things have been more heated than usual. But if there is something hopeful about it is that people who wants to make stand against inhumane acts and also influence a more positive change in the country. It even divided things internally in the government for better or worse. The government has always had a sort of big-tent thing going on but a lack of an educated society and political dynasties in it just mostly for the profits, it barely did anything other than hold the status-quo of what the Philippines was since the 1960s. Right now I'm hoping things won't get violent, and I hope after Duterte's term we can get a far better leader that will actually lead the country into something better rather than reverting back to status quo, or doing something as both incompetent and drastic as Duterte. It's definitely going to take a while and things can always go up or down, especially since at the present time things do still feel a bit terrible, and thankfully just made tolerable due to the groups striving for a positive change and never giving up doing so.

cool, thanks for telling me

Can't view The first video is basically LGBT complaining that they are depressed about how they thought people don't like their their lifestyle. They actually accused other people as oppressing them, by not liking them. How can we force people to like us? It doesnt make any sense. They should have known that they are living in a localities that LGBT is frowned upon. What do they expect The second video, is the transgender activist, who's also a prostitute, talking about her opinions ,without referencing to any solid referencable event of her presumed right violation? So far the had been not a single case referenced clearly by them. It's all 'my friend did this and that'. I can't even rebunk them properly, as there are nothing solid to rebunk. If they are talking about how LGBT are frowned upon by majority, then it's not even news at this point. We all know Malaysia does not support the idea of LGBT. It doesn't need further clarification. Malaysian stance is pretty clear. But if they claim their human right was violated, then please bring a complete example case where we can discuss around.

I don't know how you aren't self-aware on the fact that you're also suspect to doing the same on citing sources that are also 'faulty and filtered, to suit the purpose of the writers' (even more since you're only citing local Malay news, which probably is more suspect to fabrication than something internationally more credible). Not only that, but you're skipping the rest of the things posted here, like that video regarding the terrible experiences those transgender women have gone through. The video too even states how inconsistent those laws are, and that people should be able to enjoy equal rights regardless of their orientations and appearances. Also by the way, from that Malay source you linked earlier it said there were 143 individuals in that illegal nightclub raid, and only 80 were arrested. If it was an illegal nightclub how come they only arrested the immigrants and the transwomen? What happened to the rest of the individuals participating in the acts of the illegal nightclub? Even your own sources are lacking your so called 'reasons for detainment' other than the surface level reason that prostitution is illegal, on which the nightclub itself was illegally operating on. If anything these local sources are a withholding a lot more information than the other sources given by people here.