Meat-heavy low-carb diets can "shorten lifespan": Study - Sensationalist Headlines

One thing I learnt is that lean people such as myself actually have a 20% higher incidence of diabetes and heart disease than the average person, as we tend to store a lot of our fat internally, rather than subcutaneously (lmao, I tried to write that word but spelt it subcuntaneously at first. That would be fucking different.) It's complex to compare them, I confess, but I still think fossil fuels are doing more damage to us at a faster rate than ecological damage. As I said though, they're both inherently linked due to how each one affects the other.

I imagine there is probably a difference between vegan unsaturated fats and meat-heavy saturated fats. But their differences pales in comparison to the health risks of what would come from a high carb diet with little to no exercise. Also when they mention Hearth Disease and the diets reducing it. They usually mean heart diseases that are linked with Plaque build up.

I feel like people that say this dont understand it

Yeah. There is healthy carbs that you can consume. Like fruits, vegetables, etc. Idk about whole food carbs when it comes to things like grains and cereals. It might be slightly better than refined grains. But again with my talk about working out and using the energy to break them down, i'd only recommend eating carbs related to grains, breads, etc if you're putting in enough energy to break them down. Even if they're Whole Grain instead of refined grain.

I don't think that's true, hunter gatherers ate a lot of yams and root vegetables as a staple. Happy to be proven wrong though if that's not the case.

Even if they were consuming carbs. They were putting in enough energy to burn them off, giving them the energy to hunt down animals and game. Because of that, it was practically close to being a keto diet.

Well gee look at what this thread is about. I think I understand it fine. i know that ketosis is an actual process, but I certainly don’t take back accusing keto diets of being fad diets; 5 years ago if you asked any random person what a keto diet was, they would have no clue what you were talking about. It seems that every ten years or so, the ‘in’ diet alternates between ‘eat more (complex) carbs and less fats’ and ‘eat more fats and less carbs’.

A good example of this is the news talking about coffee and chocolate every fucking year.

Well its probably because new research around the concept of Ketosis and the benefits of low-carb diets are becoming more apparent. From after decades of people boasting about low-fat diets which have probably caused more harm than good.

Diets are definitely more extreme in colder regions, Eskimos for example. But that's what they are and should be viewed as, extreme diets. I don't think there's enough evidence to say that low carb diets are good for you long term, while there's a lot of evidence saying that high carb and low meat is good for you, such as the thread article.

But eating fish is a huge issue too? I'm not trying to say "don't do that", but just simply, we already over fish as it is. We cannot afford to switch to fish heavy diets globally. We just can't. We'll destroy the ocean ecosystems.

you live by the meat, you die by the meat

All you have to do is look at the US consumption of carbs to know that high carb isn't a good diet

Because you shouldn't. Most studies are commissioned completely non-impartial entities for the purpose of marketing, not for the purpose of finding out the objective results of the test.

That's fine. I'd rather enjoy life than spend it eating stuff I can't stand the taste of. Moral reasons? I've seen some of those videos too and it didn't even scratch my bacon intake. They're tasty, therefore I eat them.

There's still no conclusive evidence that fat is bad for you, no more than any other source of calories, at least. There's some correlations with health problems that arose due to people's tenancy to eat lots of fat.. along with lots of sugar and salt, however diets like that are the issue, not the fat itself.

Well, okay then. Look, you can do what you like, but the same reason I wouldn't want to eat people is why I don't want to eat pigs, even though eating people is obviously worse. It's just about being empathetic and realising the intelligence in other living things.

Trans-fat is a big cause of this problem, but saturated and to a bigger extent mono/poly unsaturated fat are largely excluded from the "avoid" list. Any fast food or processed product with trans fat will be the artery clogger.

Pigs, as smart as they are, have been bred for this existence. If we stop doing this, guess what happens? Those pigs go feral, and damage all the vegetarian crops people rely on. They then have to be killed anyways, and if this is done at a widespread enough rate then the future of pigs is certainly questionable. Anyone who is a vegetarian has my respect, but all the same, many of the positions pushed by many vegetarians aren't really something I can reconcile with the real world. Factory farming is wrong, and meat consumption needs to be reduced, but the alternative to us eating these animals, is other animals eating them. Animals don't live idyllic lives in nature either. Fat builds up on the heart from a combination of complex carbs, refined sugars, and fats. Complex carbs are okay on their own. Refined sugars are not good under any situation, but can be consumed in small quantities. Fats in and of themselves are not bad, and the body has many ways of dealing with them naturally. Complex carbs, and refined sugars do not ways to be readily digested by our bodies.

cmon man leave me alone

You don't think it's all the deep fried food, surgery drinks, processed foods, and added sugar in just about everything? It's also interesting to see developing countries get more obese and have higher rates of malnutrition at the same time when introduced to western foods. There are countries with high carb diets such as Japan which are considered very healthty. Either way, whether the diet is high-fat low-carb, plant based, a traditional balanced diet etc. It doesn't seem to have such a dramatic negative effect on health as a diet full of processed foods and added sugar. With this in mind, the best diet for us to adopt is a sustainable diet which doesn't destroy the environment or cause climate change, and that is a plant-based diet.

Pigs that are not well maintained quickly go feral, and become wild pigs. This is an observable, common feature of the pig. It does not matter one iota that these pigs were bred for this, they will go wild when left to their own devices. http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/outdoors/2007/11/domestic_pigs_quickly_revert_t.html This was the first of many sources I could grab, but there is tons of evidence of this. If pigs are no longer farmed, they must all be destroyed, or they will go wild, and they will decimate crops. They already do an estimated 1.5 billion dollars worth of damage as it is, currently. http://wildpiginfo.msstate.edu/damage-caused-by-pigs.html That number will only go up should we cease to farm pigs, unless we do as I said previously, and destroy them. This defeats the purpose of saving the lives of animals. Something that's getting on my nerves is that when I say "I'm against factory farming" people like yourself glaze over that and jump for fruit that was never there in the first place. I am against factory farming. I have made this abundantly clear in simple, straight forward language. Now, you may say "If you're against factory farming how can you support any farming?!" as many have done in these types of threads before you, and will do so after you. Because farming can be done ethically. And it is being done ethically now, in thousands of smaller farms across the United States, Canada, and Europe. Smaller farms are managing to sell less meat by volume, but producing higher quality and truly sustainable meat while doing so. This is the model we need to switch more and more farms to. We do not need to rely on factory farming if we jointly reduce meat consumption, and increase the amount of these smaller farms. People are against eating meat, farming practices, and the whole world of food not just because of animal suffering, they hold ideological lines in the sand. They do so because they're ignorant, misinformed or they don't care about the reality of the situation and just follow an ideological line in the sand. I never stated I supported those abhorrent farming practices, but by simply defending the concept of eating meat you believe, or implied that I do. This is bullshit. Do you think deer in the wild get eaten? They do. Do you think wild pigs get eaten? They do. Do you think that if we just let all the cows go tomorrow, they would be alive in a week? They'd die. Nature kills animals every day, non stop. Nature is a god damn grinder that never stops, death is a 24/7 part of nature.

Again you're acting like this will be an overnight change, obviously this will never be the case, it would be a gradual change which slowly reduced the number of domestic pigs by breeding less (as demand lowered). Feral pigs currently exist and if pigs are no longer farmed for meat this will not cause those numbers to increase, I don't quite understand why you think it would. It's not like all currently domestic pigs are suddenly going to be freed and become feral pigs which will wreck havoc to the environment. And even if this were to happen, which it wouldn't, they would all be destroyed in a cull and problem solved. On the topic of farming. I do believe that some farming practices can be more ethical than others. Unfortunately farming that is more ethical means the livestock requires more land to produce the same output, which means more land is required and more deforestation would occur. It can't be done and feed a global population, there simply isn't enough room to be done sustainably unfortunately. Meat is delicious, I get it, it's hard to give up. But studies show time and time again that we can't keep producing it at the current rate and not expect a great negative impact to our environment.

I'm not a very empathetic person. I find it hard to empathize with actual people if I don't directly know them, so there's fuck all chance I'll empathize with a pig or a cow no matter how smart the thing is.

The study of course was funded by general mills and monsanto. Go figure.

That's not really how evolution works. One could argue that microbes and tardigrades are a more successful species than humanity, due to their resilience and high population. Also, pigs don't evolve to adapt to their environment anymore because we selectively breed them. Honestly, it's kinda sad that you aren't very empathetic, but fair enough for saying so, I suppose.

As my testimony, I followed Jordan Peterson's advice on eating a more protein based breakfast and found that I can now actually get up in the morning.

There's nothing sad about it. No two people are wired the same and I just happened to get wired to only really care about people I'm close to. Also, I'm saying we defied evolution by becoming the top of the food chain by choice. Evolution would see us at the top of the lower third or so, and it certainly never invisioned us having the ability to travel vast distances at high speeds like we currently do much less leave the planet entirely. We evolved with precious little in the means of defensive and offensive capabilities, yet we are the single most deadly organism this planet has ever seen, able to kill pretty much anything macroscopic from absolute safety, hell we've even figured out how to skullfuck microscopic organisms. We defy nature's built in timers that would otherwise kill us, we're able to put each other together most literally and make full recoveries from injuries that should have killed us outright. We, as in the human race, have become the top of the food chain because we chose to become the top of the food chain. And that's what I'm going on. Defying evolution is what seperates us from the animals of the planet, is what makes it so damn easy for me to shrug off cute videos of pigs doing tricks. They don't do great things well beyond their physical means like we do. They don't strive for greatness, they don't defy their lot in life. they're more than content to wallow around in a mudpit.

I didn't mean it was objectively sad, just that it was sad to me. I'm not saying you can help it and wasn't necessarily criticising you. I understood that, but I was specifically replying to you implying that pigs should do that too, which is impossible due to us stopping their evolution and in fact devolving them. That's not really how it works. We will have been significantly more offensively and defensively capable whilst evolving, slowly losing those traits when we started to use our brains more effectively, meaning we required less energy. I wasn't suggesting that you have to care about everything, just that it's an alien concept to me not to feel empathy towards people and certain animals I have never met.