Sub shop manager fired after he fires woman employee for being pregnant - Sensationalist Headlines

saying sorry doesn't heal an open wound. While the dude was fired, his lack of training, common sense, and/or empathy to know firing a pregnant woman (especially from a non-physically demanding job lmao) a LONG time in advance of her ever needing to take time off is just stupid, evil, and again, illegal. The law was broken and and it cost her a source of income. I'd be surprised if the company doesn't find a way to drag the old manager into the case, or retroactively go after him in a separate case to pass the bill along

There's no reason to have it brought up The only reason to bring it up is to discriminate There is a reason why we have legal protections against these violations. You guys should go to your HR departments and ask them "Hey, can we just ask our interviewees whatever questions we want to?" and the answer in most places will be a resounding "No, that's against the law and we'll get sued to fuck". here, have a read https://globalnews.ca/news/3515774/6-job-interview-questions-potential-employers-are-not-allowed-to-ask-and-how-to-handle-them/

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No the job interviewer shouldn't be asking shit like that. Of course. She should absolutely be informing them though, silently leaving out the "Oh by the way I'll be gone for x months and you're still paying me." (In some countries) Is an all round shiity thing to do to your employer, especially a small business who might be struggling.

Frankly, any small business needs to be able to deal with the people they hire to be viable. Just saying that "this ruins their profitability" doesn't bode well for that business in the first place. They shouldn't be going bankrupt over that. They have other issues then.

Anecdotal evidence with a sample size of 1 is worth literally nothing statistically

I'm not here to impress you, and I'm not going to grab statistic on maternity leave and go deep because i genuinely couldn't care less but I see where the company is coming from, is all, a sandwich shop spending however much a month on an absent employee is a big chunk of cash. I gave my two pennies to the issue. I don't care for big business's as I didn't care about my guys, I just feel sorry for companies with 3 or 4 employees that get stuck with someone who just wants free money. That should come from the government.

if you're going to make a claim but you don't care enough to back up the claim in any meaningful way then you should not make the claim at all

If you can't wrap your head around the fact that pregnant woman have jobs without citation then you're a lost cause.

I can wrap my head around the theoretical possibility that somebody might do this. However I do not assume things happen on a large scale just because they're possible, unless there is evidence. I'm not that gullible.

"Common enough" is pretty vague term, if I hid you with a figure I'd understand your most genuine academic response.

Okay, but you're not even supporting something as vague as "common enough." You've seen it happen twice. That's not what I'd call common.

I'm obviously going to struggle finding statistics, so maybe you'll be satisfied with a thread full of women debating about how much money they get when they leave, if I can find it in a 5 second google search maybe we can agree that it;s common enough. https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1218560-Leaving-after-maternity-leave-accrued-annual-leave > I have decided that I am almost certainly not returning to work following maternity leave. However have been thinking about the annual leave I've accrued while on maternity leave. If I don't go back I'll obviously lose it. But it's worth about 8k - and I'm considering going back, taking the leave and then resigning. But not at all sure I could do it as would seem a bit outrageous and unethical (?) Would it be totally U to go back and take the leave? I'm thinking it would be but just thought I'd check! >I didn't go back after ML but was paid the accrued annual leave in my final pay packet - why would you lose it? >I handed in my notice in the February (was due back in March) and got 30 days holiday at full pay in my final pay packet. Which was nice as I had had my maternity pay paid on part time hours even though I had only done 1 day part time work before being signed off sick until baby was born. I had thought I could manage to continue working part time but one morning's work disabused me of that little fantasy so I was signed off for the rest.

Being concerned about small businesses is fine and all but Jersey Mike's is a national chain with over 1,300 locations so I'm not sure that really applies lol.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/237427/2666cd3a-3e7f-4fcb-92ba-2d0ca313872d/image.png You lot can be exhausting sometimes.

How is a small business supposed to cope with an employee only working for a couple of months, then going on long-term paid leave and never returning? Most small businesses work on a thin margin as it is, having an employee only actually working for 2/3 of their total employment with no way to prevent it besides not hiring women is a real issue. This kind of thing is literally why companies are tacitly encouraged to discriminate against women, but do whatever they can to hide it. Really maternity leave should be subsidized by the government, and then this wouldn't be a problem.

I wasn't responding to you specifically which is why I didn't quote you!

Since 1993. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993

I can see an argument for not having (paid) maternity/paternity leave in small businesses, at least within a certain period after you've begun your employment there. Maternity/paternity leave could be paid for by the state in these cases instead, perhaps. If you have a long standing position or work at a larger company, though, I think this is something that should be covered by the business.

They really don't have to actually. It's straight up illegal for the employer to ask.

I said it's something you should disclose in an interview - not something the employer should ask why you got a big lump sticking out of your belly.

what do you think is the functional difference between volunteering this info or being asked for this info? the employer not being allowed to ask implies the right for the employee to not disclose

hey by the way I'm pregnant and may need to take unpaid leave like 6 months from now. You know, in case you want to not hire me in the first place when I can't reasonably point this particular thing out as a legal cause of discrimination. Surely you're not completely morally bankrupt and can find it in your heart to have the five other employees getting sub--24 hour workweeks a few extra hours for a month or so