Neil Armstrong biopic causes American flag controversy
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But if not for competition with the Soviets pushing America to greater heights they might not have ever landed on the moon.
title misleading. should be: movie causes trump supporters to lose their shit over twitter
I do like the idea of them including it as comedic relief. For one, it would probably make half of the people complaining shut up, and two, imagine this:
Have the scene be awkward and slightly too drawn out to make the audience feel annoyed and kinda uncomfortable with it. Have some banter between the crew and Houston to add some character moments, and then finish it with the flag waving stupidly under its own springiness. Show it how it really was - an unnecessary cold war power projection that distracted from the accomplishment and served only to make folks back home feel a bit more patriotic. They probably have it falling over when the LEM launches back into orbit as the punchline to it all.
The flag is totally a background seat compared to the act of stepping on the moon, and the quote. The flag is just a minute of awkward jiggling for a gesture that will be lost in comparison.
Why would I be proud about something that I didn't do?
I'm actually more interested in the movie because of this. Knowing that it wont be an American exeptionalistic circlejerk makes it more appealing to me.
https://i.imgur.com/vvOvhyU.jpg
Who the hell cares who did it?
Thisnis basically a "first lol" kind of thing. Be glad that MANKIND got there, not an individual from X COUNTRY
that's Buzz Aldrin.
Well, the camera was strapped to his chest so taking a picture of himself would have been very difficult. The only pics of him on the moon come from the cameras strapped to the LEM, which are grainy and washed out at best.
Well, I guess you could count his reflection in this famous shot
https://dujye7n3e5wjl.cloudfront.net/photographs/1080-tall/time-100-influential-photos-neil-armstrong-nasa-man-moon-64.jpg
IIRC this was when Buzz stopped to take a piss, or so the story goes.
It’s as if you didn’t pay attention to “one giant leap for mankind.” Not to mention that Armstrong and Aldrin placed memorial artifacts for Yuri Gagarin and Victor Komarov on the moon as well as the flag.
The act of planting the flag is not important in the grand scheme of things, especially since the flag is shown on the moon. It’s not about that moment. It’s about Neil Armstrong making it to the Moon.
ya like the Right Stuff barely has any spaceflight in it.
I don't think they should omit any details of the moon landing, just because it was such a significant thing but that the people most pissed off about it are nationalist dickheads taking credit for other people's achievements is telling to how insignificant the outrage really is. Everything America has ever done now has to be the achievement of every American, past, present and future. It's no longer a result of cascading developments spanning the evolution of our entire species. If that isn't the definition of being an ingrate to humanity and the ingenuity that made us what we are today, I don't know what is.
This isn't just an extremely dumb post, there's so much dangerous and reductive ideology here that tackling it is actually kind of daunting. I'll just talk about some of it, at least:
To begin with, the iPhone was a revolutionary invention that was a combination of a bunch of different globally and publicly funded technologies. Credit to Apple for making the most famous phone of all time, but they didn't invent touch screens, or lithium batteries, cellular networks or mobile operating systems etc etc etc. We are tall because we stand on the shoulders of giants. Similarly with the space race, even if there weren't tons of contributions from tons of countries, the foundations that the moon landing was built upon were put down by all of global civilization over hundreds of years.
That's me rebutting the idea that most landmark scientific achievements are bound to individuals, but even if literally every technology used in landing on the moon came from America. The mere accomplishment itself should be internationally celebrated as a landmark moment in human history, not American history. Aggressively attributing landmarks to individual countries for glory rather than historical accuracy leads to this sort of jingoistic nationalism that leads to countries believing they're superior to others which leads very quickly to... you guessed it, fascism. Exceptionalism is a dangerous route to go down.
Beyond us identifying with America's positive actions but not negative... uhh no. For science, obviously because of what I previously said it's a human accomplishment not an American one. But for actions like war crimes made specifically by powerful individuals the American government that were voted in by Americans? I don't really see why I should consider that an action by humanity as a whole and not by individual people.
War crimes resulting from high-level policy set by leaders and carried out by individuals: Nation's fault.
Achievements resulting from high-level policy set by leaders and carried out by individuals: Whole world gets credit?
This is nonsense. Kennedy had as much to do with the US reaching the Moon as any tin-pot dictator has to do with war crimes carried out by their lowest-level personnel. Your argument is basically that crediting nations with their accomplishments is wrong because it'll make those nations think they're special and you don't like them thinking they're special. That's revisionism, for infantilizing and overtly political reasons.
The idea of stripping credit from the US for an overwhelmingly US-driven historical achievement is frankly baffling. The Moon landing can simultaneously be considered both a significant achievement for all of humankind and also one carried out by an American serving in an American space program that was driven by American policy.
Germany pioneered rocketry, the USSR put the first man in space, and the US landed on the Moon. It's not a political dick-waving contest, it's historical fact.
So what are the chances that rather than some huge "anti-american" conspiracy this was done purely to make sure Chinese audiences don't get offended since China makes up a vast percentage of ticket sales for most Hollywood movies these days?
... Eh, it seems dumb now when it's actually typed out...
oh no the film didn't mention the least important fact about the moon landing
Not really. Frankly, I doubt that it was a factor here since the other trailers do show off American flags fairly prominently, but considering how the Chinese market has affected releases lately, it’s not a terrible guess.
Opted to not include planting the flag.
The flag is still there in the background as far as I can tell.
Wow okay it's even dumber than I thought
the fact that most of these people are using pictures of buzz aldrin in their tweets shows how much they really care about Neil. The mercury 7 biopic The Right Stuff does something similar with the spaceflights, skipping straight through two of them to the aftermath of the flights and nobody was pissed about it back then.
https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1036764099802226689
why is every notable conservative an idiot
It’s not even that they’re all idiots, it’s that their audiences are just as if not dumber than them and believe their shit
If I'm not mistaken, was it not Buzz Aldrin who was the first man on the moon? Neil just came up with the super iconic quote. I know they're nitpicking about the flag but for goodness sake why is he repeatedly given title the First Man when historically he wasn't?
stroke that base stroke it hard till it... oh we're talking about conservatives.
No, Armstrong was definitely first. It's common knowledge?
Them entirely omitting the flag being there at all would be pretty odd.
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