The comics industry is finally, belatedly facing up to Comicsgate - Sensationalist Headlines

Fucking what. Eat a dick. We have fucking proof beyond the Zoepst that she's an abusive and emotionally manipulative bitch. And then she tried to use the court system to further gaslight.

the bigger question is why are you all so emotionally invested in someone else's life and problems

It devolved into shit but that's a bit of a stretch dude

I'm kind of blown away by how disconnected from reality the narrative you're trying to push is. You're either completely delusional, or you think we must be to believe that.

I really don't think so. Gamergate was a catalyst that allowed the alt-right to feel legitimized and become a real movement.

There's this obscure phenomenon wherein some people understand and sympathize with the emotions and experiences of others. I think they call it 'impa fee' or something.

Gamergate did not create the alt-right, it didn't legitimize them. It was the media actively lying and pushing agendas which fuelled the alt-right, the insane polarisation of American media and the 'right side of history' bullshit everyone seems to spout caused it. I agree that the alt-right jumped on Gamergate to gain traction, but saying Gamergate caused it is like saying "The shed I store all my fertilizer, petrol, and magnifying glasses burned down. The sun burned down my shed!" Please note, I'm not condoning the alt-right. Honestly I think people should cut the bullshit and just call them Nazis, since that's what most of them are.

It's been 4 years, you're still believing Zoe Quin and you're accusing others of drinking kool aid. I honestly pity you.

Video games don't have this power yet. We need to rise up.

Dunno if this is really the thread where we should discuss this' but you're skimming over a lot Alex Jones, Richard Spencer, The GOP's corruption, the Tea Party, and the rising political tensions between minorities, racists, and cops lead to the rise and legitimization of the alt right. GG was really only involved in bringing people like Milo and Sargon to the spotlight

GamerGate was the catalyst, but the people who made it were ironically the Anti-GGers. GamerGate had a history till about half way of its life actively punting and kicking the far right or overly political people out once they started being stupid(IA, KoP, and etc). The issue is that as the mainstream media continued to flood the airwaves that GamerGate was in fact a group filled with angry men, the angry men thought they had compatriots and slowly overtook everything. At this point? KotakuinAction is basically The Donald lite and 8chan is somehow an even worse cesspit than 4chan. However, at the same time key figures fighting against Gamergater turned out to be pedophiles, pedophile sympathizers(remember that one time a major publication released an op-ed about how there's nothing wrong with being a pedophile?), actively sexually harassed both men and women as well as were found out to be sending death threats and doxx material. Hilariously, outside of Kiwifarms which doxxes everyone, Anti-GG did more doxxing than Gamergate ever did.

I mean. I guess the last few days pulled the mask of a few anti-intellectual shitposters... Some of the shit a small handful of these posters profess to believe just boggles the mind and no amount of disproving it is gonna stop their bullshit.

And now we have Comicsgate and as far as I'm concerned Jessica Price is Gamergate 2.0 You ready to do it all again?

I mean. It shouldn't really become necessary. Reception of the pro-JP narrative has been lukewarm at best. Only the fanatics buy into it. As for Comicsgate, i'm afraid the fandom might just be obscure enough for them to get away with it...

This is just another crackpot theory created by armchair sociologists and political students in their first semester. It's ignoring the whirlwind of other much more prominent and important factors because of some coincidences. Even back when GG was the big thing, it was estimated that the total 'members' on the GG side were about a hand full of a thousand. Spread around the world. And keep in mind that the reports about how effective GamerGate was at it's goal ranged from "Oh those GuberGaters can't tie their own shoes" to "OH DEAR LORD GAMERGATERS ARE AT MY DOOR PISSING ON MY FRONT LAWN". Believing that GG is the cause of the alt-right's rise to prominence is just silly to me because we never got any concrete information on anything.

Don't those kind of connect though? Alex Jonestown was the closest thing to a media organization to support Gamergate, and a big part of the alt-right's initial rise was its ability to appeal to people who weren't the conventional conservative. Milo and Carlgon are both pretty solid examples of that in effect, they managed to convince the generally left wing community here on Oldpunch to follow them, despite Breitbart being literally banned from posting for being a far right propaganda rag, people here bought into it hook line and sinker.

Gamergate isn't conservative and I regular KotakuInAction and I can tell you right now nobody posts Alex Jones there outside of "he got censored again".

I find this a little hard to believe. Why on earth would facepunch of all things be the one place putting a good spin on a hate campaign? Either the movement had valid points or it didnt. Im not saying that other places might not have dealt with the harasssing sides a lot worse then we did - obviously oldpunch's wonderful moderation prevented the whole thing from becoming an anarchistic shitstorm like everywhere else, but there would be no reason for "the good gators" or whatever you want to call it to be solely focused in this one obscure forum. They were likely a majority of people everywhere (at least during the first eight months), its just that we did a much better job at weeding out all the shitlords. Admittadly my experience of gg was one solely focused on the facepunch thread, but I talked about it with a bunch of friends outside of it and neither of them are alt-righters or even conservatives. The claim that somhow we were the only good people is ridiculous.

The games journalists in question kept repeating that gamergate was an attack on women over and over and over again until people like ASparkle believed it.

Literally everyone i know who cares think journalism and gaming-feminism is going to far with this shit. Feminism in gaming is welcome IMHO, but not at all how they tried to do it. It was obnoxious and antagonistic from the word go. Everyone i know who don't know or care about GG still think that American feminism is overstepping a lot! I hear the brand of tumblr-feminism that Sarkeesian, Wu and Quinn subscribed to and wanted to push get sceptical or annoyed reactions in everyday conversation where i live. People aren't anti-women. People are just anti-hysterics and disingenuity. People realize and are aware that if these people had any kind of valid point, they'd engage in direct discourse and let their ideas stand up to scrutiny. What has happened since day 1 has been blatantly obvious spin-campaigns in the face of scrutiny, Twisting criticism straight to bigoted opposition. I don't know anyone who doesn't think it's mad behavior. I really don't! This is what the problem from the get-go was! gamers didn't mind feminism in gaming. we didn't mind diversity. What we couldn't take was this abrasive and condescending aproach with facts and points bathed in falsehoods when actual real and tangible facts and ideas about progressivism in gaming were right there. Facepunch is overwhelmingly liberal and so was the early days GamerGate. Why do these people resist having this conversations so hard? It's pretty wild to want something so bad, yet work so hard to make it impossible by antagonizing people who were open to debate and picking the most hamfisted and harmful aproach as well. People say nothing good came out of that controversy. I say different. People learned to articulate themselves and to understand that disagreement didn't have to turn into antagonism and that being abrasive and antagonistic didn't automatically make you right. Of course the absolute muppets that started the shitfest never learned anything, it seems. They're still spinning the same tale and riding the same wave of false-flagged harassment.

Twitter was mostly fine. Mostly. Eventually someone made a block list that hid everyone who was remotely concerned with ethical and/or journalism issues from the eyes of a lot of the semi-outspoken feminists involved (the blatantly bigoted ones at the helm actually didn't use it much afaict), so they ended up seeing only dedicated troll accounts.

Not trying to start shit, I didn't follow GG closely during its height, but is there somewhere that catalogues any of this "proof"? I keep seeing lots of different claims about people and organizations, but most of the articles are by choads like Milo or they link to ED or some randos blog. Screen caps are similar, they're usually super cropped and I wanted to know how most of the "known" information came about.

Gamergate might not have been an attack on women "Actually it's about ethics in gaming journalism", but your head is in the sand if you don't think that it provided refuge for people with those viewpoints.

Did it provide refuge, or did people flood a movement about ethics in games journalism? Key distinction there.

whats the distinction?

You know, I witnessed men get just as much shit, if not more, during GG. It wasn't because they were women, it was because they were pushing for ridiculous concepts;

Fault & intent.

ED, as horrible as it is, actually sources at a comparable or sometimes higher standard than Wikipedia. Mostly that's because they actually link to primary sources or reliable snapshots, though, instead of banning that and purely relying on secondary information. (This isn't necessarily a bad thing for Wikipedia.) As far as nicer places go: DeepFreeze is still online. (Note that a lot of things listed there, like being a GG Autoblocker user, don't "count" against people on the site, i.e. don't impact their score.) thezoepost is actually still online. It wasn't defamation, so Quinn couldn't sue to have it removed. Despite what's been written about it, it's not some kind of hellish screed that will turn you into a woman-hating nazi once you lay eyes on it. (It's pretty likely to cause some level of disgust and or anger about the specific person it is about, though.)

there isn't a unified gamergate hivemind so there is no fault or intent here to speak about. its a rallying slogan used by various people. some of those people care about ethics in videogame journalism and some people use the latter as a politically expedient excuse to own the libs/express their hate for women/pocs/etc. When journalists point out that lots of people use the term gamergate as a rallying slogan to spread deeply problematic ideas they aren't wrong.

Purposefully leaving out what they're actually pushing for, and ignoring what they've actually accomplished is. Would you get mad if the media only ran stories saying BLM just wants to riot and destroy property?